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  • Is Incest Morally Wrong?

    Where there is no possibility of child bearing, say between a father and adult son, or between sisters, in what sense would a secularist consider this immoral?
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    Leaving aside "secularists," Bible literalists can't consider incest *inherently* wrong, even when child-bearing *is* possible, since (taking Genesis literally) that was the way humanity progressed beyond the First Couple.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
      Leaving aside "secularists," Bible literalists can't consider incest *inherently* wrong, even when child-bearing *is* possible, since (taking Genesis literally) that was the way humanity progressed beyond the First Couple.
      So you don't consider it immoral?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post

        So you don't consider it immoral?
        No.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          Where there is no possibility of child bearing, say between a father and adult son, or between sisters, in what sense would a secularist consider this immoral?
          They would base it on the psychological harm, maybe?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

            No.
            No, you don't consider it immoral? Or no, you do consider it immoral?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

              No.
              While it might be the way it started because of necessity, God did prohibit it later (see Leviticus 18 for example) and made it immoral.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                While it might be the way it started because of necessity, God did prohibit it later (see Leviticus 18 for example) and made it immoral.
                Right, as believers we see it as immoral. It violates the law of God. But why would non believers see it as immoral?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                  While it might be the way it started because of necessity, God did prohibit it later (see Leviticus 18 for example) and made it immoral.
                  This brings up an interesting a priori, and I'm not sure where I stand.

                  Are certain things *inherently* immoral, irrespective of what "God says" about them?

                  Or does the supposed "morality" of an action depend solely on God's explicitly stated will about that action?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post

                    Right, as believers we see it as immoral. It violates the law of God. But why would non believers see it as immoral?
                    The same context (Lev. 18) forbids sexual relations during a woman's monthly period. Is that also "immoral"?

                    The Law of the Obsolete Covenant is no longer in force under the New and better Covenant. Even if we accept the dubious premise that the Decalogue is still Law for us, what is the basis for reviving "moral" concepts from other parts of the defunct Law?
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                    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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                    Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                    Justice for Matthew Perna!

                    Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                      The same context (Lev. 18) forbids sexual relations during a woman's monthly period. Is that also "immoral"?

                      The Law of the Obsolete Covenant is no longer in force under the New and better Covenant. Even if we accept the dubious premise that the Decalogue is still Law for us, what is the basis for reviving "moral" concepts from other parts of the defunct Law?
                      The Law of God is written on the heart of man. Is it not self evident that having sex with your wife on her monthly is not the same offense as having sex with say, her mother? It seems like it's intuitive as to what is right and wrong here. A man having sex with an animal. What's wrong with that picture? You see what i'm saying?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Machinist View Post

                        The Law of God is written on the heart of man. Is it not self evident that having sex with your wife on her monthly is not the same offense as having sex with say, her mother? It seems like it's intuitive as to what is right and wrong here. A man having sex with an animal. What's wrong with that picture? You see what i'm saying?
                        But Sparko and seer seem to be asserting that the explicit instructions of God in Lev. 18 are what converted the practice from moral or neutral to immoral. Given that framing of the argument, how is sex with a woman during Aunt Flo's monthly visit different?

                        The bestiality thing is qualitatively different. It is "unnatural," not to mention icky, independent of whether it is "immoral."
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                        Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                        Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

                        Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                        Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                        Justice for Matthew Perna!

                        Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                          But Sparko and seer seem to be asserting that the explicit instructions of God in Lev. 18 are what converted the practice from moral or neutral to immoral. Given that framing of the argument, how is sex with a woman during Aunt Flo's monthly visit different?

                          The bestiality thing is qualitatively different. It is "unnatural," not to mention icky, independent of whether it is "immoral."
                          Icky and unnatural to you.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post

                            Icky and unnatural to you.
                            Yes. What's your point?
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                            Nationalist Christian.

                            "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                            Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                            Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

                            Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                            Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                            Justice for Matthew Perna!

                            Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                              Yes. What's your point?
                              So it is not actually immoral. God wouldn't see that as a sin - correct?
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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