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Seer, what's the difference in living in a growing block universe that has already grown to it's end (or just past the point where we are now) and living in a regular block universe?
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Sparko, did the universe start small and grow to the size we see today? Or did all states of the universe small/large/dead always exist together? Did I start as a baby and grow, or did I always exist as young, middle aged, old and dead?
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
You know I lean a little toward idealism, so I personally don't have a problem with it all being an illusion. That's not an endorsement for B theory. I'm only saying I wouldn't dismiss B on the basis that our experience of time is illusory.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
We don't have to reject anything based on your faulty understanding of the block universe and 4D space-time.Last edited by seer; 09-16-2022, 07:07 AM.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Because it is an illusion, our experience of flow would be an illusion as Einstein said. Like the fames of a film - if you run a film you have the illusions of movement, but each frame is static.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
No, each slice of time would be static, no matter the location. If you go back to 1953, you won't find me crawling on the floor. Like on your film, each frame is static. That is not motion. If you run the film you have the illusion of movement. Position or orientation do not equal motion. And that is why you and Stoic logically have to reject Big Bang cosmology - the universe it not start small then expand. That could happen with 'growing block theory', but not with block theory.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Motion is a change in position or orientation of an object over a period time. This happens in the block universe. Therefore there is motion in the block universe.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Actually no, it would not be doing anything. Just a static whatever. In a tenseless universe where time is static motion is static since motion requires time flow.
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
Well, when these static slices are executed together in sequence is when movement is created. I know you have said then that that would be an illusion. But i'm not so sure why you say this. It would definitely be a very useful illusion.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
The only thing I would say is that in B Theory it would not matter whether we could view it from the outside or not.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
The only thing I would say is that in B Theory it would not matter whether we could view it from the outside or not. In a tenseless universe motion can not exist, motion requires the flow of time. That is one reason why Stoic won't answer my question about the Big bang.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
No. Better if you just reread all of my posts in this thread. And stoic's. He answered your questions too. It was pointless because you just ignore anything we said and repeated your incorrect ideas.Last edited by seer; 09-15-2022, 07:52 AM.
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