Free Will and Omniscience

[tabibito]

Learn about imputation before calling someone a liar. Read Romans 5 before spouting off.

You have stood to accuse how many of how many things in this thread alone? Your preaching contradicts the teachings of Christ and misrepresents Paul's teachings.
2 Peter 3:15 ... Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. ... 17 be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


Which part of Romans 5 are you referring to?

This one?
3 ... we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
Certainly not. You don't teach that perseverance is developed.

How about this one?
be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless
Again, certainly not.

[Machinist]

Totally off topic -- Machinist - I LOVE your avatar. I toured the plant at Dearborn where there was one steam engine that powered a whole long line of machines, all belt driven, and all managed by the diameter of pulley on the machine for speed / torque.

Thanks!

It must have been a while back when you visited that plant. There's a few steam powered machine shops still around kept mostly like functional museums.

[Machinist]

With regard to the ongoing conversation, I am reminded of the thief on the cross that asked Jesus to remember him. That was all faith and no works. I guess it all depends on the circumstances of one's life.

[Dave L]

You have stood to accuse how many of how many things in this thread alone? Your preaching contradicts the teachings of Christ and misrepresents Paul's teachings.
2 Peter 3:15 ... Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. ... 17 be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


Which part of Romans 5 are you referring to?

This one?
3 ... we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
Certainly not. You don't teach that perseverance is developed.

How about this one?
be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless
Again, certainly not.

Do yourself a favor and study the doctrine of imputation. It will give you a head-start.

imputation. A transfer of benefit or harm from one individual to another. In theology, imputation may be used negatively to refer to the transfer of the sin and guilt of Adam to the rest of humankind. Positively, imputation refers to the righteousness of Christ being transferred to those who believe on him for salvation.

Grenz, S., Guretzki, D., & Nordling, C. F. (1999). In Pocket dictionary of theological terms (p. 65). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

[tabibito]

Do yourself a favor and study the doctrine of imputation. It will give you a head-start.

imputation. A transfer of benefit or harm from one individual to another. In theology, imputation may be used negatively to refer to the transfer of the sin and guilt of Adam to the rest of humankind. Positively, imputation refers to the righteousness of Christ being transferred to those who believe on him for salvation.

Grenz, S., Guretzki, D., & Nordling, C. F. (1999). In Pocket dictionary of theological terms (p. 65). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

I do happen to know what "transfer" means. Because I know the gospel, I also know what the Bible has to say about how that transfer is effected.

[Dave L]

I do happen to know what "transfer" means. Because I know the gospel, I also know what the Bible has to say about how that transfer is effected.

So you agree with me...knowing these things?

[tabibito]

So you agree with me...knowing these things?

You quite clearly do not know what Christ taught. All you know is out of context, misrepresented portions of Paul's writings - and Paul's writings are not the gospel: they build on the gospel.

[Dave L]

You quite clearly do not know what Christ taught. All you know is out of context, misrepresented portions of Paul's writings - and Paul's writings are not the gospel: they build on the gospel.

Do you believe in Pre-Millennialism? If so, you don't know the first thing about Christ's teachings.

[tabibito]

2 Thess 2:2 [Do] not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

[Dave L]

2 Thess 2:2 [Do] not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

This already happened but you apparently missed it.

[tabibito]

This already happened but you apparently missed it.

And what date do you imagine it happened?

[Dave L]

And what date do you imagine it happened?

ALL Protestants believe the Papacy is the Antichrist. It's in all of their creeds. Only the cults that developed since the 1800s are blind, and still looking for him.

[tabibito]

ALL Protestants believe the Papacy is the Antichrist. It's in all of their creeds. Only the cults that developed since the 1800s are blind, and still looking for him.

I am thankful that I am not a protestant then.

[Dave L]

I am thankful that I am not a protestant then.

It takes a work of God's grace to be one.

[tabibito]

It takes a work of God's grace to be one.

God's grace brings a person into Christ, grants the ability to become holy, removes a person's sin, and the penalty for past sins.
I see nothing in scripture to indicate that God's grace determines which denomination(s) a person might belong to.

But of course, a person has to know the gospel before being able to understand that God isn't partisan.