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  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    If you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
    Here's my approach to walking in the Spirit. Give it a try if you have what it takes.

    “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” (2 Corinthians 10:5) (KJV 1900)

    We censor every impure thought or imagination. And change the channel in our thinking on any thought that does not conform to obedience to Christ.

    And we replace it with:

    “Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.” (Philippians 4:8)

    Knowing Jesus is God and God is love, Jesus is Lord of our lives when love rules our thoughts and actions.

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    • Those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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      Scripture before Tradition:
      but that won't prevent others from
      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
      of the right to call yourself Christian.

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      • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
        Those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
        Do you think your works save you? Or since God gave you a new nature, good works of love become a normal course of action for you?

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        • If someone says he has faith but does not have works, can faith save him? A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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          Scripture before Tradition:
          but that won't prevent others from
          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
          of the right to call yourself Christian.

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          • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
            If someone says he has faith but does not have works, can faith save him? A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
            For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

            If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.

            Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works....
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you–unless you believed in vain.
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                If someone says he has faith but does not have works, can faith save him? A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
                What you do not understand is that Christ's works save believers through His imputed righteousness (Romans 5). Our works are wood, hay, and stubble that cannot save. If improved on, they merit a better resurrection. But believers are still saved, even if their petty works are destroyed by fire.

                “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:11–15 (KJV 1900)

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                • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                  What you do not understand is that Christ's works save believers through His imputed righteousness (Romans 5). Our works are wood, hay, and stubble that cannot save. If improved on, they merit a better resurrection. But believers are still saved, even if their petty works are destroyed by fire.

                  “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:11–15 (KJV 1900)
                  IF I did not understand what Paul said, you would only be calling the kettle black.
                  IF Paul had given the teachings that you claim he did, he would have been contradicting Christ.
                  Paul did not call Christ a liar.
                  If you knew the gospel, you would not have such horrendous misunderstandings of Paul's teachings.


                  John 3:20 “For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 “But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”



                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                    IF I did not understand what Paul said, you would only be calling the kettle black.
                    IF Paul had given the teachings that you claim he did, he would have been contradicting Christ.
                    Paul did not call Christ a liar.
                    If you knew the gospel, you would not have such horrendous misunderstandings of Paul's teachings.


                    John 3:20 “For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 “But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”


                    You are missing out on true righteousness and relying on your own which is prone to failure. James says you cannot even control your tongue.

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                    • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                      You are missing out on true righteousness and relying on your own which is prone to failure. James says you cannot even control your tongue.
                      Learn the gospel, then you will be able to understand Paul's teachings. Until then you are just a teacher of things you don't even begin to understand.
                      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                      Scripture before Tradition:
                      but that won't prevent others from
                      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                      of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                      • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                        Learn the gospel, then you will be able to understand Paul's teachings. Until then you are just a teacher of things you don't even begin to understand.
                        Are you pre-millennial? If so, you reject Jesus' gospel of the kingdom and trust in the Pharisees who also rejected Him.

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                        • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                          Are you pre-millennial? If so, you reject Jesus' gospel of the kingdom and trust in the Pharisees who also rejected Him.
                          The righteous shall live by faith. Not mere believers: the righteous. Belief isn't even in the picture in that statement - faith in that statement is fidelity.
                          The believer IS NOT simply clothed in Christ's righteousness without any change to himself, like some white-washed tomb. The believer is changed, by the Holy Spirit, from within to BECOME the righteousness of God.

                          Learn the gospel and take it to heart, and then you will understand what Paul is saying.
                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.

                          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                          • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                            The righteous shall live by faith. Not mere believers: the righteous. Belief isn't even in the picture in that statement - faith in that statement is fidelity.
                            The believer IS NOT simply clothed in Christ's righteousness without any change to himself, like some white-washed tomb. The believer is changed, by the Holy Spirit, from within to BECOME the righteousness of God.

                            Learn the gospel and take it to heart, and then you will understand what Paul is saying.
                            But you trust in your petty works that cannot save. Jesus' imputed works actually save believers.

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                            • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                              Jesus' imputed works actually save believers.
                              You claim to believe in Jesus, but you don't believe what he says. It is impossible to call Christ a liar and believe in him at the same time.
                              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                              Scripture before Tradition:
                              but that won't prevent others from
                              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                                You claim to believe in Jesus, but you don't believe what he says. It is impossible to call Christ a liar and believe in him at the same time.
                                Learn about imputation before calling someone a liar. Read Romans 5 before spouting off.

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