Determinism And Moral Responsibility

[The Thinker]

Except my definition of fatalism would work. And is legitimate and accepted. Never mind the fact that we have no control as far as doing or not doing anything.

Great. I don't care. I know that it's the wrong way to think about determinism, and that's all that matters. It's certainly not the only thing you think is wrong.

[Tassman]

That is just stupid, the dog is a slave to antecedent conditions. It is determined from beginning to end - just as we are.

The dog is “slave” to the evolutionary process which, in the case of dogs entails adherence to the group behaviour as it applies to dogs. Just as we are genetically predisposed via 'natural selection' to adhere to the moral sentiments which evolved in human society as a means of restraining individual selfishness and building more cooperative groups.

Moral responsibility in a fiction in your world - an illusion.

As opposed to your logically incoherent world of alleged Libertarian Free Will? This cannot exist, it's logical nonsense.

“Moral responsibility” means nothing more than adhering to the rules of the group in order to maintain more cooperative communities.