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  • #16
    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
    I would say that Christians generally don't worry the least about the consequences of not believing in the tenets of other religions, so if they're going to casually dismiss those other tenets, I can likewise dismiss theirs.
    Because Bobby did it, too? That's not a reason, it's an excuse.

    And more, in general, most Christians are fine with others following their own beliefs. Internet religious forums have a way of attracting the most absurd and least tolerant fringes. Ask me about posting on Ummah some time. A mod once threatened to ban me for insisting, contrary to a popular apologetic for his miraculous comprehension, that Muhammad wasn't actually the ignorant, backward hayseed the apologetic required him to be.

    And lastly, while there's a great deal to admire in a properly cherry-picked entrée assembled from the Christian ethos, I'd actively oppose holding up the worst of Christian behavior as a moral exemplar.

    I've heard some of these folks won't even consider an invitation to a gay wedding. And I'm not talking about the folks acting out of ignorance.

    I'm talking about people who know full well it'd be nothing short of fabulous.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Seeker View Post
      Thank you for the information. Even without sources, at a cursory glance, most of what you wrote seems to be true.
      More pointedly, it was also a refuse dump, and there's reason to believe the fires of hell were created for annihilation, not eternal torment.

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      • #18
        This is an old thread but the following may be of interest [and indeed some relevance to the general thinking of many on these boards]

        Erroneous modern Christian notions of hell as a biblical concept are outgrowths of the unfortunate influence of the KJV of 1611 CE and its fallacious translation of the biblical terms as hell, and moralizing that term as invariably meaning punishment. That misfortune, together with Luther’s mistranslation, has wreaked significant havoc in shaping the moralistic theologies of current theological cultures. This mischief is especially tragic as it helped to shape the concepts of Heaven, Hell, and Afterlife in the destructive American heresy of fundamentalist evangelicalism. [see Heaven, Hell, and the Afterlife: Eternity in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Ed. J, Harold Evans, Praeger, 2013, Vol 1, Chap 2,]




        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • #19
          Originally posted by rogue06
          So is this yet another instance of you offering something from someone else that if criticized you will throw under the bus as not your opinion, or is this something you will admit concurs with your own belief?
          Tut tut. A moderator forgetting the rules.

          This forum is strictly for discussions and debates between nontheists and hard agnostics only.
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            This is an old thread but the following may be of interest [and indeed some relevance to the general thinking of many on these boards]

            Erroneous modern Christian notions of hell as a biblical concept are outgrowths of the unfortunate influence of the KJV of 1611 CE and its fallacious translation of the biblical terms as hell, and moralizing that term as invariably meaning punishment. That misfortune, together with Luther’s mistranslation, has wreaked significant havoc in shaping the moralistic theologies of current theological cultures. This mischief is especially tragic as it helped to shape the concepts of Heaven, Hell, and Afterlife in the destructive American heresy of fundamentalist evangelicalism. [see Heaven, Hell, and the Afterlife: Eternity in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Ed. J, Harold Evans, Praeger, 2013, Vol 1, Chap 2,]



            Interesting.

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