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Why is the Trinity an essential to there even being a God?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostDisagree, I consider it an interpretation. I believe in a metaphysical and spiritual interpretation of the nature of 'God's Word' not physical.
It is a heresy to make the claim regardless of how you word it.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostGod incarnate means .... God made (having become) /flesh/, as at John 1. ... "flesh" is contextually implicit.
Actually - that's wrong. In+carnare = in (the) flesh
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostChristians do not claim Jesus in an incarnate God. That would make him another God. He is the incarnation of the one God. There is only one God, not two or three.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostAn estimated 7000 discrepancies, and with many of them involving prophecies concerning the messiah and identifying him as God himself - and the Jews have no problem with the discrepancies... despite decrying the Septuagint as a flawed translation: but it is the Septuagint that shows consistency with texts pre-dating AD 150, where the current Hebrew scripture does not.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostTrue and the Doctrine of the Trinity, and the claim of Jesus Christ being an incarnate God is a heresy concerning the fundamental oneness of God.
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An estimated 7000 discrepancies, and with many of them involving prophecies concerning the messiah and identifying him as God himself - and the Jews have no problem with the discrepancies... despite decrying the Septuagint as a flawed translation: but it is the Septuagint that shows consistency with texts pre-dating AD 150, where the current Hebrew scripture does not.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostIndeed - the fundamental oneness of God does not change. Nor does the fundamental oneness of the generic human.
Is it your claim that the New Testament is in conflict with the Old Testament about the identity of Christ as God? Are you familiar with the archaeological findings that show the Masoretic Text - upon which modern Hebrew scripture is based - is not the same as the Hebrew text prior to 150AD?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostGod is God. The One and only One God and indivisible as confirmed throughout the Old Testament.
Yes, God is an infinite being that does all these things. I do not see anywhere where God talks to himself.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes I believe in progressive Revelation, but the fundamental oneness of God does not change. The evolution of Spiritual laws as humanity matures is the primary purpose of Progressive Revelation. The concept of Progressive Revelation includes restoring original foundation beliefs in God that have been corrupted by human culture. In this case a Roman Hellenist view of Gods. The history of OT Progressive Revelation reflects constant efforts to restore Monotheism as opposed to other polytheistic and corrupted views of God.
Is it your claim that the New Testament is in conflict with the Old Testament about the identity of Christ as God? Are you familiar with the archaeological findings that show the Masoretic Text - upon which modern Hebrew scripture is based - is not the same as the Hebrew text prior to 150AD?
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAnd God's identity?
So God as a finite being does all those things. And talks to himself.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostSays he who claims to believe in progressive revelation.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-27-2015, 06:50 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI do not consider these parallels to be adequate to justify the Trinity.
Neither the Jews, Muslims, Baha'is nor I consider this an adequate explanation to justify the Trinity. A description of the manifestation of God in this world described in OT scripture is not adequate justification for a separate another 'person' of God, nor a Trinitarian belief.
If the concept of the Trinity is true and essential it would have been more specifically defined in the OT.
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