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  • #46
    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
    Academics aren't aliens, have biases and may or may not incorporate an historical perspective - eliminating 2 of the three criteria and in some cases all three. I presume you meant 'independent' and not 'outside' but that's still a highly relative term. Unbiased is almost non-existent - and in this case, the few exceptions probably don't apply.

    I propose that your criteria are silly. Of course all examiners will have bias - which is fine so long as they acknowledge it and minimize as much as possible. The chances of a truly independent examiner are tiny - most people have some investment in their religious beliefs/background - which is also fine as long as it is acknowledged and minimized (or at least pointed out when not possible). Presuming that an ivory tower shields the occupant from human foible is silly. Doing so to the degree that one excludes all other observers is foolish.
    No, of course, historians are not aliens, but like science, academic history has a good track record over time and not dependent on the fallibility and bias of individuals. History and science is dependent on good academic standards, and peer review over time. When I study the results of the research I use a collective balanced approach, and recognize that our knowledge evolves over time.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

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    • #47
      So we agree - we minimize the bias but don't believe in the ridiculous notion of perfect human impartiality.

      Knowledge may grow over time and it may be corrected - but it doesn't 'evolve' in the colloquial sense of the term.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
        So we agree - we minimize the bias but don't believe in the ridiculous notion of perfect human impartiality.

        Knowledge may grow over time and it may be corrected - but it doesn't 'evolve' in the colloquial sense of the term.
        Since when did ever propose the 'ridiculous notion of perfect human impartiality.'
        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #49
          "Unbiased" - humans don't come in that size.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            "Unbiased" - humans don't come in that size.
            I did not refer to individual humans. Like science, academic history as whole does not have the level of bias that individual may have. I pretty much rely on a consensus, and not individual historians, also the reasons they give for their conclusions is important. The same goes for science. The question relates to what is the 'best' explanation, which may take several scenarios into consideration. When making this judgment it is best that religious belief not contribute to bias.
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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            • #51
              There's something besides a human with an historical perspective? I thought we agreed academics aren't aliens...

              "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot


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