Hugh Hefner is now in hell

[Darth Executor]

Loving human parents care deeply what their children do. They don't, however, send their children to hell or similar.

One of your kids is an irredeemable psychopath who threatens the lives and safety of other children. What does "loving parent" do?

[Christianbookworm]

One of your kids is an irredeemable psychopath who threatens the lives and safety of other children. What does "loving parent" do?

Report him to the police and get him tossed in a padded cell for the safety of others?

[Starlight]

lol you are a complete nobody

I am a person. Therefore when I live my life, I am present in all my experiences, and the choices and judgments I make are mine. Whatever status I have in the wider world or in the estimation of others, it is ultimately up to me to decide what I think about God and whether I believe in such concepts.

One of your kids is an irredeemable psychopath who threatens the lives and safety of other children. What does "loving parent" do?

Attempt to come to a solution that maximally preserves the well-being of the child and other children. That means making sure life isn't 'hell' for any of the kids involved.

Your statement that the kid is 'irredeemable' is not something any human parent is capable of knowing. Obviously any omniscient and omnipotent God who was capable of knowing the person was literally irredeemable would be capable of solutions that human parents wouldn't - e.g. putting the kid into a virtual world where the kid could happily (for the kid) interact with the people and the environment in that world without actually harming anyone because the others in the world weren't actually real, might be one possible solution. An all-powerful God would be capable of shaping a particular universe perfectly suited for any particular person.

[Tassman]

He should be ashamed of himself! Porn is shameful. Treating women like pleasure objects is shameful.

Tell that to The Donald.

[mossrose]

I disagree with the tack that God doesn't send people to hell. Matthew 7:21 teaches that some will desire to go to heaven but be denied.

Incidentally, Hugh Hefner still has not faced the final judgment.

Try starting at v. 20 and continuing to get the context.

Then read 25:10, in context. Then read Matthew 25:11, Luke 6:46, and Romans 2:13, don't forget, in context.

And then read Hebrews 9:27.

[KingsGambit]

Try starting at v. 20 and continuing to get the context.

Then read 25:10, in context. Then read Matthew 25:11, Luke 6:46, and Romans 2:13, don't forget, in context.

And then read Hebrews 9:27.

I understand the general context but I don't see how these other verses contradict the notion that God sends people to hell.

[mossrose]

I understand the general context but I don't see how these other verses contradict the notion that God sends people to hell.

Like Starlight, they choose for themselves.

[Darth Executor]

Attempt to come to a solution that maximally preserves the well-being of the child and other children. That means making sure life isn't 'hell' for any of the kids involved.

Your statement that the kid is 'irredeemable' is not something any human parent is capable of knowing. Obviously any omniscient and omnipotent God who was capable of knowing the person was literally irredeemable would be capable of solutions that human parents wouldn't - e.g. putting the kid into a virtual world where the kid could happily (for the kid) interact with the people and the environment in that world without actually harming anyone because the others in the world weren't actually real, might be one possible solution. An all-powerful God would be capable of shaping a particular universe perfectly suited for any particular person.

You don't need to be omniscient to know someone is irredeemable, and institutionalizing them (which is what most people would do) IS hell.

[JimL]

There's no point in worshiping a god who doesn't care about what you do one way or the other.

There is no point in worshiping an evil god, excepting cowardice. If you want to worship a god, at least create a good one.

[rogue06]

One of your kids is an irredeemable psychopath who threatens the lives and safety of other children. What does "loving parent" do?

In the movies they inevitably lock them up either in the basement or attic until the compulsory escape.

[Darth Executor]

There is no point in worshiping an evil god, excepting cowardice.

I'm not sure what that means, but there's no point in spending eternity suffering just because God doesn't meet the preferred standards of an insignificant human. Certainly not for abstract principles like bravery.

If you want to worship a god, at least create a good one.

When atheists tried, they ended up worshipping liberalism, a more evil god than anyone could invent. So no thanks.

[stfoskey15]

What do you all think about the Mormon version of an afterlife? I'm no Mormon, but in that version you're also judged for your actions, but there's no hell. Heaven vs. hell is more the difference between going to a decently nice place and being god of your own planet. It allows a god who doesn't cause eternal suffering as well as the moral imperative to act responsibly here on Earth.

[Starlight]

What do you all think about the Mormon version of an afterlife? I'm no Mormon, but in that version you're also judged for your actions, but there's no hell. Heaven vs. hell is more the difference between going to a decently nice place and being god of your own planet. It allows a god who doesn't cause eternal suffering as well as the moral imperative to act responsibly here on Earth.

The historical origins of Mormonism as an obvious scam invented by a con-man, have, like with Scientology, led me to never pay much attention to it. Plus they are both phenomena largely confined to the US. But the afterlife description you give would seem to be reasonably consistent with a kind and loving God at face value. Far more so than any of the typical evangelical or Catholic descriptions in Christianity.

[One Bad Pig]

The Eastern Orthodox view of hell paints God in a much better light, certainly. I agree with many of the observations that this EO theologian makes about how nastily the Western version of hell portrays God.

Although the EO version of hell can still be tweaked to be better, IMO, with the addition of Origen's reincarnation theory for example. Because, if hell is worse than this life for some people, and the loving God knows and understands that, then he would obviously want to respond by continuing this life for them rather than inflicting hell on them.

Origen's theory was not reincarnation, but apokatastasis. Hell was for those who had fallen farthest from glory; eventually, it would burn up their faults and even satan would return to glory eventually. So bad people would still go to hell after death; they just wouldn't stay there.

[Starlight]

Origen's theory was not reincarnation, but apokatastasis. Hell was for those who had fallen farthest from glory; eventually, it would burn up their faults and even satan would return to glory eventually. So bad people would still go to hell after death; they just wouldn't stay there.

Both. He thought that God would keep reincarnating people through immeasurable ages and universes, until every soul was fully morally transformed and universal perfection had been achieved. It's in De Principiis I think. I'll have to dig up my notes i took when reading it when I get home and find the passage for you.