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Gospel of John 1:14

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  • Gospel of John 1:14

    In another thread concerning part of that verse .

    καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν1 ἐν ἡμῖν [And the Word became flesh and lived among us]


    A contributor has stated that

    Originally posted by commentator

    It is not main-stream belief that Logos was made flesh. Main-stream belief has it that he simply occupied flesh, with some kind of merger: opinions vary as to how exactly how that played out in practice.


    Not being entirely au fait with mainstream Christian beliefs, would anyone who is a practising Christian [of any denomination] care to offer their observations on that statement.

    I would only note that the various creeds refer to Jesus Christ:

    Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit



    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

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  • #2
    No one:


    Hypatia: Here's a comment by someone espousing what would be widely considered heretical and I'm not going to give a quote link. Discuss.

    Edit: Sounds like it's Apolloniarianism.
    Last edited by Diogenes; 03-15-2023, 06:51 AM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
      No one:


      Hypatia: Here's a comment by someone espousing what would be widely considered heretical and I'm not going to give a quote link. Discuss.

      Edit: Sounds like it's Apolloniarianism.
      I considered it judicious for the identity of the individual to remain anonymous on this thread.

      Of course that does prevent anyone from engaging in an advanced search [using that exact quote] in order to ascertain for themselves who initially posted it.
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #4
        No need to keep me anonymous. I'm quite happy to own the claim.
        1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
        Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
        .
        If Palm Sunday really was a Sunday, Christ was crucified on a Thursday (which could be adduced from the gospels anyway).

        "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
          No one:


          Hypatia: Here's a comment by someone espousing what would be widely considered heretical and I'm not going to give a quote link. Discuss.

          Edit: Sounds like it's Apolloniarianism.
          No - it's kenotic Christology. Before Moltmann, it was considered heresy: now, it's regarded merely as unseemly.
          1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
          Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
          .
          If Palm Sunday really was a Sunday, Christ was crucified on a Thursday (which could be adduced from the gospels anyway).

          "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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          • #6
            Why not ask the person who said that what s/he means?

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            • #7
              Opinions vary on the accuracy of the statement attributed to mainstream belief.
              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Why not ask the person who said that what s/he means?
                I am asking other Christians if the mainstream belief is in accordance with the following statement:

                It is not main-stream belief that Logos was made flesh


                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  I am asking other Christians if the mainstream belief is in accordance with the following statement:

                  It is not main-stream belief that Logos was made flesh

                  You won't accept anything anyone here tells you, since you are merely trying to troll again, but, you do like to do research right? Research the Hypostatic Union.

                  Here is a starting point:
                  https://www.gotquestions.org/hypostatic-union.html
                  https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07610b.htm


                  Also, it appears from my search that you are not representing what the "commentator" actually said, but what he said that Athanasius wrote.
                  Last edited by Sparko; 03-15-2023, 09:20 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Opinions vary on the accuracy of the statement attributed to mainstream belief.
                    Are the birth narratives of Matthew and Luke and the various childhood incidents found in those narratives to be rejected?

                    The various creeds refer to him being conceived by the Holy Spirit/Ghost and the Nicene Creed states:

                    I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,

                    the Only Begotten Son of God,

                    born of the Father before all ages.

                    God from God, Light from Light,

                    true God from true God,

                    begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;

                    [...]

                    For us men and for our salvation

                    he came down from heaven,

                    and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,

                    and became man.



                    Is that wrong?
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                      You won't accept anything anyone here tells you, since you are merely trying to troll again, but, you do like to do research right? Research the Hypostatic Union.

                      Here is a starting point:
                      https://www.gotquestions.org/hypostatic-union.html
                      https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07610b.htm
                      This is a genuine inquiry. I would have thought someone [apart from a professed agnostic] could give me a definite answer.

                      Is the belief in the incarnation [to make flesh] wrong?
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        This is a genuine inquiry. I would have thought someone [apart from a professed agnostic] could give me a definite answer.

                        Is the belief in the incarnation [to make flesh] wrong?
                        Read the links I gave you. The Hypostatic Union is the doctrine that seeks to explain how Jesus was both fully God and fully Man. The Son took on flesh and became a man while still remaining God. I have no idea what your "commentator" meant or believes, so I gave you references so you could read what orthodox Christianity believes, and you don't have to take anyone's word for it. I gave you a Catholic and a Protestant source so you can see that they agree.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          Are the birth narratives of Matthew and Luke and the various childhood incidents found in those narratives to be rejected?

                          The various creeds refer to him being conceived by the Holy Spirit/Ghost and the Nicene Creed states:

                          I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,

                          the Only Begotten Son of God,

                          born of the Father before all ages.

                          God from God, Light from Light,

                          true God from true God,

                          begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;

                          [...]

                          For us men and for our salvation

                          he came down from heaven,

                          and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,

                          and became man.



                          Is that wrong?
                          No. The Nicene Creed is an accurate summation.
                          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom

                          Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
                          sigpic
                          I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            The Nicene Creed is an accurate summation.
                            That it is.
                            1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                            Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                            .
                            If Palm Sunday really was a Sunday, Christ was crucified on a Thursday (which could be adduced from the gospels anyway).

                            "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              No. The Nicene Creed is an accurate summation.
                              So he was made flesh - incarnate and became man. Why then is tabibito alleging that:

                              It is not main-stream belief that Logos was made flesh
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                              Comment

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