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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
You shoulda met him BEFORE he became a Christian!"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
There is an alternative to that line of thinking.
Who wants to be a moral sheep coerced into being humane by fear?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
All behavior is the result of stimuli. Fear of a lawgiver followed by aversion of transgression is the standard moral response. Every animal, not just sheep, is cowed by fear. Except the humanist, who cowers without having anything to be afraid of. "The wicked flee when none pursue"
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
Fear of a lawgiver followed by aversion of transgression is the standard moral response.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostEvery animal, not just sheep, is cowed by fear.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostExcept the humanist, who cowers without having anything to be afraid of.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostBe careful. You are in danger of condoning atrocities because the have been ordered or encouraged by some form of law-giver . The propaganda against the Tutsis in the early 1990s comes to mind.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostKeep in mind that the worst atrocities were under governments that didn't follow a "law-giver ."
However, it should be noted that your comment about "governments that didn't follow a "law-giver" would require the phrase "law-giver" to be defined."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
However, it should be noted that your comment about "governments that didn't follow a "law-giver" would require the phrase "law-giver" to be defined.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostPerhaps you shoulda thought of that when you introduced it.
Those problems you suffer with your eyesight and your short term memory seem to be getting worse."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
I did not introduce the term "lawgiver". You actually replied to the post made by Darth Executor where s/he used the term.
Those problems you suffer with your eyesight and your short term memory seem to be getting worse.
IOW, back to the same old H_A games.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou did employ it and when you did didn't find it necessary to define then.
IOW, back to the same old H_A games."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostBe careful. You are in danger of condoning atrocities because the have been ordered or encouraged by some form of law-giver . The propaganda against the Tutsis in the early 1990s comes to mind.
Once again you are in danger of excusing atrocities because those who perpetrate them are fearful for their own lives if they do not obey orders. The massacre of Polish soldiers and officers by members of the NKVD comes to mind.
What evidence are you premising that comment upon?
Humanism is a childish attempt to "one-up" Christianity while removing what makes Christianity internally consistent (God). The humanist feels smug in his own mind but actually fails at both the practical and intellectual level."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf a pastor is using fear to lead his flock to Christ then he's doing it all wrong.
Psalm 15:4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.
Psalm 19:9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
Psalm 22:23 Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
If there is no God or some other power to punish the act then there is nothing inherently wrong with "atrocities". Tutsi vs Hutu becomes a matter of opinion, like Pepsi vs Coke.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIt is a legitimate excuse if there is nobody to inflict a greater punishment for committing the act.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThe humanist argument is that they should prioritize the well being of the Polish soldier even though it would just cause them harm and provide no reward
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIt stems from first principles. The humanist does not believe in God
Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postbut cowers before arbitrary made-up rules,
Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post. A theist might say murder is wrong because God says so and God will enforce His law
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostHumanism is a childish attempt to "one-up" Christianity while removing what makes Christianity internally consistent (God).
Humanism requires no deities, Christian or otherwise.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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