The Honest Atheist?

[Sparko]

[whag]

Geological processes create waterfalls, not God's guiding hand.

[Sparko]

Geological processes create waterfalls, not God's guiding hand.

Amazing how geological processes created those waterfalls in that picture, huh.

[whag]

Amazing how geological processes created those waterfalls in that picture, huh.

Thanks for acknowledging geological processes aren't the signature of a guiding hand. We're now in agreement.

[Sparko]

Thanks for acknowledging geological processes aren't the signature of a guiding hand. We're now in agreement.

How did they create that dam and waterfalls?

[whag]

How did they create that dam and waterfalls?

Engineers, you dope. How was Niagraa Falls created? Google it.

[Sparko]

Engineers, you dope. How was Niagraa Falls created? Google it.

So I guess some waterfalls are created by intelligent design then?


How do you tell the difference between that dam and, say this waterfall?




Which would be manmade and which would be created by "geological forces?"

[Cow Poke]

There's nothing simple about a waterfall,

Sure there is.... water seeks its own level, and gravity helps! Not sure why you're being so obstinate.

but I'm encouraged you wouldn't conclude an intelligent author made such a thing.

Ummm.... intelligent men build waterfalls all the time. Often they're called "dams".

That's not really a rational conclusion.

Perhaps to somebody who was unaware that waterfalls could actually be built by "intelligent authors".

[Cow Poke]

Thanks for acknowledging geological processes aren't the signature of a guiding hand. We're now in agreement.

I guess I really DON'T know you, Whag... I had thought you were much more civil than this.

[Sparko]

I think whag forgets that "it's natural" is not a very good argument against God.

God created nature, and it's processes and rules. So why would he be surprised that God uses what he created?

[shunyadragon]

How did they create that dam and waterfalls?

Humans created this dam and waterfalls using engineering based on the non-contradictory knowledge of Methodological Naturalism. The same foundation knowledge that describes the science of evolution.

Niagra Falls and the other water falls were created through millions of years of natural uplift of land, and erosion from water flowing over resistant rock formations

[Sparko]

Humans created this dam and waterfalls using engineering based on the non-contradictory knowledge of Methodological Naturalism. The same foundation knowledge that describes the science of evolution.

The waterfall and dam evolved? Did it start out as a beaver dam or something?


My point is how do you look at something and tell if it is intelligently designed or not? I showed a picture of two waterfalls above. How can you tell if one was created through geological processes and one was made by engineers? Shape? Age?


And if God created nature, then how can something being natural be evidence against God?

[Cow Poke]

Niagra Falls and the other water falls were created through millions of years of natural uplift of land, and erosion from water flowing over resistant rock formations

How do you know it's not the DOWNLIFT of land, eh? Were you THERE?

[whag]

I think whag forgets that "it's natural" is not a very good argument against God.

Mental illness and stillbirths are natural, but controversy arises when attributing those things to God.

God created nature, and it's processes and rules. So why would he be surprised that God uses what he created?

Are you talking about geology or biology, as well? Evolution is a process with rules.

[Sparko]

Mental illness and stillbirths are natural, but controversy arises when attributing those things to God.

Not for me.

Are you talking about geology or biology, as well? Evolution is a process with rules.

Yes.


so back to my question. Can you tell which of those two waterfalls I posted was created without intelligent design? and how can you tell?