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  • Sea of red
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    And again James, you make jabs at me, don't get upset when I return the favor. I'm not a kid and I will not call you sweety if you don't make jabs at me. Fair is fair, don't you agree? Anyway, I want reasons why Nick is wrong and not just examples of (at best) arrogance. Why is Nick wrong? I think it is a valid question. I gave a reason why Tazzy is wrong. He misrepresented his own link that said Norway has 72% of a non believer population so he could berate Christians and blame us for all the ills of the world. His premise has tons of problems, including issues with misrepresenting the number of non believers in Norway. 31-72% of Norway being non believer is a world away from 72% of them are. Even than, we could give several reasons why some countries rank high on the HDI and some countries do not. Including government stability. Norway has a stable government, with stable neighbors, and a homogenous population. Countries lower on the list, do not have that kind of stability. Is it fair to blame Christians for all the ills of the world and ignore that many factors are at play beyond the religious values of the countries in question?
    "Kid" is a term of endearment I use towards the females in life, in particular if they are older than myself, as I generally date a few years older.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    I really don't wish to get into a war of words with you, Crystal. If you want to gloat or take some jabs at me, accuse me of whatever, then feel free to do so. I'm trying to take things easy since I've come back, and this sort of nonsense is the stuff I really don't want to do anymore. My belief is in a forum free of the sort of thing I used to do, where I'm going to try and lead by example; I'm embarrassed by some of my previous behavior.

    You have a good night.
    And again James, you make jabs at me, don't get upset when I return the favor. I'm not a kid and I will not call you sweety if you don't make jabs at me. Fair is fair, don't you agree? Anyway, I want reasons why Nick is wrong and not just examples of (at best) arrogance. Why is Nick wrong? I think it is a valid question. I gave a reason why Tazzy is wrong. He misrepresented his own link that said Norway has 72% of a non believer population so he could berate Christians and blame us for all the ills of the world. His premise has tons of problems, including issues with misrepresenting the number of non believers in Norway. 31-72% of Norway being non believer is a world away from 72% of them are. Even than, we could give several reasons why some countries rank high on the HDI and some countries do not. Including government stability. Norway has a stable government, with stable neighbors, and a homogenous population. Countries lower on the list, do not have that kind of stability. Is it fair to blame Christians for all the ills of the world and ignore that many factors are at play beyond the religious values of the countries in question?

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  • Sea of red
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    I really don't wish to get into a war of words with you, Crystal. If you want to gloat or take some jabs at me, accuse me of whatever, then feel free to do so. I'm trying to take things easy since I've come back, and this sort of nonsense is the stuff I really don't want to do anymore. My belief is in a forum free of the sort of thing I used to do, where I'm going to try and lead by example; I'm embarrassed by some of my previous behavior.

    You have a good night.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    Good to see you've kept yourself sane on this forums. lol

    I don't really have a problem with her to be honest. As a recovering hot-head myself, I've learned to let people cool off when things get really strung out in a debate. I don't look at her as a bad person or anything, like she may believe. What I'll never understand is why she can't leave people alone that don't want to talk to her, or let people cool off that are trying to be civil.

    I've found that if I leave her alone for awhile and give her space she's pleasant, but if I reply everytime she wants to talk things eventually go south.
    Sorry, you got the wrong number. I'm not angry at all. Getting angry, at being called out, is hardly professional or the least bit logical. I've known people for years that I have asked if I ever get angry (I do, but very rarely) because I control my emotion and not the reverse. This has nothing to do with anger and has everything to do with people wanting to run from the truth instead of face it. Norway is given a range of non believers from 31-72%. To ignore that Tazzy's link gives us a range and not a firm number is dishonest to the core. It would be like if a study came out that said believers were 4-20% more giving than non believers and only reporting that believers were 20% more giving. Would you call somebody out and even accuse them of lying if they only gave the 20% number and ignored the 4%? I sure would, so why is it any different when your friend does it? This is about honesty and face it; your friend is bending the truth to fit his own agenda.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    Yeah, that post was pretty hard to forget for me. I doubt that's what made him go into his own part of the forum though. I think he just likes to read his own posts and since he's respected on here (for whatever reason) they gave him his own echo chamber.
    So the reason Nick is wrong is.... (this is where you give an actual fact of why he is wrong beyond your own opinion that he is wrong). Besides, Nick has the backing of some pretty prestigious people in the apologetics community. What do you have, that actually proves him wrong?

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    My hunch at the time was a little of both.
    And that makes him wrong because... (this is where you give an actual reason why he is wrong and not your opinion why you don't like him).

    Just like you can post to people that have specifically told you not to converse with them, I can post a little jab and not actually get into the conversation itself.
    Don't complain when people say things back than.

    Don't know what else to tell you kid. I've made this pretty easy.
    Kid? Sorry sweety, but you jumped in here and were questioned. Don't get mad at me because you're unable to support your claims and unable to show how your claim actually makes Nick wrong.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    Go back and read my post history. I haven't posted all that much in over a year until recently. I had personal problems that had to be taken care of, and I paid zero attention to this site during that time, so forgive me if while dealing with issues in my life I didn't keep a record of what Apologia Phoenix' rants.
    Considering that people are jumping all over Chrawnus for not giving a link and a quote, why should you be above the rules and standards others want to hold a Christian to? I'm sorry James, but fair is fair. If Chrawnus needs to give direct links for his claims, so do you. Unless of course, that standard only applies to Christians and atheist should be accepted at their word.

    I'm pretty satisfied with Jamie's explanation. And before you start, know that I give the same benefit of the doubt to everyone, rather than assuming dishonesty from the get-go. Perhaps you should take your advise about not "assuming the worst" in people.
    Why should I give 'the benefit of the doubt' to a man that:

    1. Has accused me of having a serious mental disorder he has been unable to prove or show I have.
    2. That takes every chance he gets to blame religion for all the ills of the world and flat out ignores that the most atheist countries in the world have had horrible human rights abuses?
    3. That treats every Christian he runs into with disrespect and spends all of his time berating Christians and Christian belief.
    4. That misrepresented the number of non believers in Norway and left out the 31-72% range.

    Go ahead James, taking these things above. Give me one good reason why your buddy deserves an ounce of respect from me when he refuses to give me any respect in return or is this more of the 'don't do as I do, do what I say' sort of reasoning?

    If Jamie gets on your nerves then ignore him and don't respond. I mean geez, the guy hasn't spoken to you in YEARS, I would think that would be enough to realize he doesn't care what you think.
    Your friend is a grade A jack ass and deserves every bit of disrespect he gets. You're wrong too, he doesn't get on my nerves. He spreads false information and lies about people, so I give him the treatment he deserves. He 'ignores me' after all the embarrassment he has caused himself over the years by making easy to refute claims or do you also believe that atheism leads to a better country, despite how the data refutes such nonsense?

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    Well for you, James my friend, although I don't usually waste my time responding to LPOT's thought-disordered rants.
    Of course they are 'thought disordered rants' because you're too stupid to refute any of it, so you need some port in a storm to avoid all the refutations of your nonsense.

    I usually quoted the stats as “non-believers” rather than type out the full wordy heading of “Atheist/Agnostic/Nonbeliever in God”. The point being made was that Norway is a secular, largely non-believing nation as indicated by the statistics. In any event when I referred to these figures I generally included the link for people to check it out for themselves, which is probably where she got her "ammunition" from in the first place, i.e. my link.
    Trying to rewrite history again Tazzy Wazzy? Here is YOUR FULL QUOTE on the matter:

    Originally posted by you
    In some Scandinavian countries one is automatically added to the membership of the national church at birth and one has to actually "sign out” to not be counted as Christian. But, in actuality all the Scandinavian countries, along with much of Europe, have extremely high rates of non-belief in God, (Norway at 72%).

    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

    And while they may be “cultural Christians" they nevertheless rank high in the Inequality adjusted HDI whereas the actual Christian USA only ranks 28th.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
    That that I call a misrepresentation. Norway isn't at 72% at all, they have a range from 31-72%. What is it called again when you leave out the whole quote and only pick the part of the quote that you like and ignore the rest? Likewise, you're ignoring that other countries are on that list that are not on the top of the HDI list. Don't take my word for it, here is the top 5, from the list:

    Country: Population: Non believer range: Number of non believers:
    Sweden 8,986,000 46 - 85% 4,133,560 - 7,638,100
    Vietnam 82,690,000 81% 66,978,900
    Denmark 5,413,000 43 - 80% 2,327,590 - 4,330,400
    Norway 4,575,000 31 - 72% 1,418,250 - 3,294,000
    Japan 127,333,000 64 - 65% 81,493,120 - 82,766,450
    Czech Republic 10,246,100 54 - 61% 5,328,940 - 6,250,121

    The third row there gives us a range of belief while the 4th row gives us the estimated numbers of the population. For Norway it is 31-72% are estimated to be non believers. That is a RANGE, but you did not include the range. What you did was cut out the lower number and pretend it was only a higher number. That is a lie at worst and a massive basic reading comprehension problem, at best. Face it Tazzy Wazzy, you misrepresented the data and are trying to weasel your way out of ignoring my fully claim and only picking to address part of my claim and ignoring the rest. More of your dishonest nature, shows itself again and thus you give more reasons why pretty much everybody sees you as a laughing stock and why few take you seriously around here. Thanks Tazzy for giving a perfect example of your dishonest nature and why you don't deserve a ounce of respect.

    Once again, for the world to see:

    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

    With these sorts of misrepresentations and half-truths, which seem to be her stock-in-trade, you can see why I no longer bother with your sparring partner.
    Yep, the world can see how dishonest you really are. Your claim was that Norway was at 72%, you ignored that the range was 31-72%. What is it called again when you leave out part of the quote and only pick and choose what you want to hear and ignore the rest? Oh yeah at worst lying and at best a massive problem with basic reading skills.

    BTW: I too remember that amazing epic post where AP used language such as "thatness", "thisness", and "whatness" to explain the profundities of Aristotelian metaphysics. I don't think he's ventured out of his 'Shallow Waters' hidey-hole ever since.
    And nothing to prove him wrong yet, but you've been proved wrong right here. Enjoy trying to hide the fact you cut out that Norway has a range of 31-72%. Also, I love that you ignored the fact that Vietnam and many other countries also have a higher number of non believers, but are not on the top of the HDI list, thus refuting your claims that higher levels of unbelief = high HDI list. Gosh, it must suck to be wrong so much, but too full of yourself to ever admit to your lies or omissions, eh?
    Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-09-2015, 08:23 PM.

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  • Sea of red
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    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    It's good to see you Sea of Red. I almost miss these spats between you and lilpixie. Like watching an old married couple...
    Good to see you've kept yourself sane on this forums. lol

    I don't really have a problem with her to be honest. As a recovering hot-head myself, I've learned to let people cool off when things get really strung out in a debate. I don't look at her as a bad person or anything, like she may believe. What I'll never understand is why she can't leave people alone that don't want to talk to her, or let people cool off that are trying to be civil.

    I've found that if I leave her alone for awhile and give her space she's pleasant, but if I reply everytime she wants to talk things eventually go south.

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  • Sea of red
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    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    Well for you, James my friend, although I don't usually waste my time responding to LPOT's thought-disordered rants.

    I usually quoted the stats as “non-believers” rather than type out the full wordy heading of “Atheist/Agnostic/Nonbeliever in God”. The point being made was that Norway is a secular, largely non-believing nation as indicated by the statistics. In any event when I referred to these figures I generally included the link for people to check it out for themselves, which is probably where she got her "ammunition" from in the first place, i.e. my link.

    Once again, for the world to see:

    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

    With these sorts of misrepresentations and half-truths, which seem to be her stock-in-trade, you can see why I no longer bother with your sparring partner.

    BTW: I too remember that amazing epic post where AP used language such as "thatness", "thisness", and "whatness" to explain the profundities of Aristotelian metaphysics. I don't think he's ventured out of his 'Shallow Waters' hidey-hole ever since.



    Perish the thought, but you're right.
    Yeah, that post was pretty hard to forget for me. I doubt that's what made him go into his own part of the forum though. I think he just likes to read his own posts and since he's respected on here (for whatever reason) they gave him his own echo chamber.

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  • Sea of red
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post


    As you present it now, at best, you got an example of some arrogance. At the worst, I got an example of a basic reading compression fail and at worst an example of dishonesty.
    My hunch at the time was a little of both.

    Than you shouldn't of jumped into the conversation.
    Just like you can post to people that have specifically told you not to converse with them, I can post a little jab and not actually get into the conversation itself.

    Don't know what else to tell you kid. I've made this pretty easy.

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  • Sea of red
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    There's thousands of post, here on the new tWeb. You can't find examples right now? On the other hand, the example of mine comes from the new tWeb and was posted within a few weeks. Trying to say that your source says the population of Norway is 72% atheist, when it groups atheist/agnostics together and gives a range of 31-72% is a huge problem no matter how you stack it.
    Go back and read my post history. I haven't posted all that much in over a year until recently. I had personal problems that had to be taken care of, and I paid zero attention to this site during that time, so forgive me if while dealing with issues in my life I didn't keep a record of what Apologia Phoenix' rants.

    I'm pretty satisfied with Jamie's explanation. And before you start, know that I give the same benefit of the doubt to everyone, rather than assuming dishonesty from the get-go. Perhaps you should take your advise about not "assuming the worst" in people.

    If Jamie gets on your nerves then ignore him and don't respond. I mean geez, the guy hasn't spoken to you in YEARS, I would think that would be enough to realize he doesn't care what you think.

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  • Tassman
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    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    He'll have to answer for that. He's my friend, so you should expect that I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, due to our off-forum relations. I don't know what he what he intentions were, so I'll have to let him answer for himself.
    Well for you, James my friend, although I don't usually waste my time responding to LPOT's thought-disordered rants.

    I usually quoted the stats as “non-believers” rather than type out the full wordy heading of “Atheist/Agnostic/Nonbeliever in God”. The point being made was that Norway is a secular, largely non-believing nation as indicated by the statistics. In any event when I referred to these figures I generally included the link for people to check it out for themselves, which is probably where she got her "ammunition" from in the first place, i.e. my link.

    Once again, for the world to see:

    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

    With these sorts of misrepresentations and half-truths, which seem to be her stock-in-trade, you can see why I no longer bother with your sparring partner.

    BTW: I too remember that amazing epic post where AP used language such as "thatness", "thisness", and "whatness" to explain the profundities of Aristotelian metaphysics. I don't think he's ventured out of his 'Shallow Waters' hidey-hole ever since.

    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    It's good to see you Sea of Red. I almost miss these spats between you and lilpixie. Like watching an old married couple...
    Perish the thought, but you're right.
    Last edited by Tassman; 06-08-2015, 11:57 PM.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    Couple points:

    1)Nick used the terms in order to purposeless obfuscate the discussion.


    As you present it now, at best, you got an example of some arrogance. At the worst, I got an example of a basic reading compression fail and at worst an example of dishonesty.

    2)I already told you that I'm not going to speak on Jamie's behalf.
    Than you shouldn't of jumped into the conversation.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    I haven't debated the guy in years; now it's all gone.
    There's thousands of post, here on the new tWeb. You can't find examples right now? On the other hand, the example of mine comes from the new tWeb and was posted within a few weeks. Trying to say that your source says the population of Norway is 72% atheist, when it groups atheist/agnostics together and gives a range of 31-72% is a huge problem no matter how you stack it.

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