Are spiritual fruit exclusive to Christianity?

[Paprika]

This concept of "Spirit" makes it appear very powerless...?....Is not Spirit/Holy Spirit supposed to be God?...and is not God supposed to be most powerful?

Yes. But it doesn't mean that because God has the power that He will utilise it completely all the time; neither does your Allah.

good is faked?

It means that people can fake the fruit: they can feign kindness, love, and so on.

Considering that mysticism/spirituality is a tradition in many religious systems...the arbitrariness of the Christian concept does not seem an adequate explanation..?...

Why is it arbitrary?

[siam]

Yes. But it doesn't mean that because God has the power that He will utilise it completely all the time; neither does your Allah.


It means that people can fake the fruit: they can feign kindness, love, and so on.


Why is it arbitrary?

---In Islam Allah/God is not Spirit/Holy Spirit.

---I agree that intentions color our actions...but what is in our hearts can usually only be seen by God...unless we confess/verbalize it. Actions can be seen and judged as good/bad. To say this or that love is fake or true can only be conjecture unless the person who did the action confirms or denies....? But, perhaps if one is to posit that all humanity is inherently bad...then it might be possible to speculate that all actions that appear "good" are fake because they do not arise from possession of Holy Spirit (...as without this Holy Spirit, humans are only capable of bad)....?....

---So, if we posit that all humanity is inherently bad and "good" comes from the Holy Spirit/Spirit if X is believed...then there is a criteria---belief in X results in "possesion of" Holy Spirit and leads to good (that is seen)...but, if this criteria is not consistent...that is...if all who believe in X do not always do good....then this concept becomes arbitrary.
The other opinion (on this thread) seems to be that human beings have the potential to be both good/bad and that the Holy Spirit can be "possessed" by anyone regardless of belief in X...while this is a nice premise (one I would favor)...it removes the criteria...thus making it (the working of the Holy Spirit) arbitrary....?.....

[Paprika]

---In Islam Allah/God is not Spirit/Holy Spirit.

I know; what I'm saying is that according to your theology your deity doesn't use all his power all the time; neither does ours.

But, perhaps if one is to posit that all humanity is inherently bad...then it might be possible to speculate that all actions that appear "good" are fake because they do not arise from possession of Holy Spirit (...as without this Holy Spirit, humans are only capable of bad)....?....

Well yes, but I don't think that humanity is completely corrupted even by sin.

---So, if we posit that all humanity is inherently bad and "good" comes from the Holy Spirit/Spirit if X is believed...then there is a criteria---belief in X results in "possesion of" Holy Spirit and leads to good (that is seen)...but, if this criteria is not consistent...that is...if all who believe in X do not always do good....then this concept becomes arbitrary.

The obvious answer is that one can have the Spirit and yet resist it, because the outworking of the Spirit in the believer's life is synergistic.

[siam]

I know; what I'm saying is that according to your theology your deity doesn't use all his power all the time; neither does ours.


Well yes, but I don't think that humanity is completely corrupted even by sin.


The obvious answer is that one can have the Spirit and yet resist it, because the outworking of the Spirit in the believer's life is synergistic.

Some interesting statements....

Power---Unsure of the context so do not know if I should agree, disagree or claim irrelevance!....
----irrelevance---If we are speaking of associating the properties of the Holy Spirit with the attributes of God....then this would only be relevant in the Christian context where the Holy Spirit is synonymous with God and therefore all characterizations of one applies to the other.....
---disagree----If we are speaking of God's "Power" (in itself an abstract, somewhat vague term) in general then No, Islam would reject concepts such as the clockwork universe or that God "rests" on Sabbath etc....God's Power is ever flowing.
---agree---If we understand God's "Power" in terms of "Qadr"(to measure) then yes, God's Power/will has degrees of, what is understood as, "restraints/restrictions" and "abundance/blessings" in his Wisdom.

Humanity---what is your understanding of Human nature?

Arbitrary---how does resistance or synergy make it less arbitrary?

[shunyadragon]

Yes. But it doesn't mean that because God has the power that He will utilise it completely all the time; neither does your Allah.

Based on the evidence ALL ancient Gods, including the Christian Gods do not utilize anything better then the other Gods,

It means that people can fake the fruit: they can feign kindness, love, and so on.

From a more objective perspective without judging other faiths, because they appear different, Christians do not even do a good job faking it.

Why is it arbitrary?

There is no evidence that it is anything other then arbitrary, with a heavy dose of human nature.

[Bill the Cat]

http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/than.html

[seer]

Based on the evidence ALL ancient Gods, including the Christian Gods do not utilize anything better then the other Gods.

And what does that say about your god Shuny? And doesn't your faith teach that Moses was a manifestation of God, therefore gave us true information about God?

[shunyadragon]

And what does that say about your god Shuny? And doesn't your faith teach that Moses was a manifestation of God, therefore gave us true information about God?

Yes, Moses gave us some true information in Gods Spiritual Law and confirmed that there is only on indivisible God for humanity to worship, but many things were temporal Laws and guidance for the Hebrews, and the problem remains we have no original writings from Moses.

My God is the same God as Moses's God. My response to Paprika was rhetorical and somewhat sarcastic to the common view that my God is superior to your God, your God Allah is not my God.

[Bill the Cat]

My God is the same God as Moses's God.

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[shunyadragon]

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No meaningful response. Is this the best air ball you can shoot.

[shunyadragon]

Yes, Moses gave us some true information in Gods Spiritual Law and confirmed that there is only on indivisible God for humanity to worship, but many things were temporal Laws and guidance for the Hebrews, and the problem remains we have no original writings from Moses.

My God is the same God as Moses's God. My response to Paprika was rhetorical and somewhat sarcastic to the common view that my God is superior to your God, your God Allah is not my God.

These statements of 'my God is greater than your god' smacks of ancient polytheism, maybe the Boy George song, sand box territorial turf war between Gods.

Are there in reality even more Gods than three in Christian theology?

[Bill the Cat]

No meaningful response. Is this the best air ball you can shoot.

It's a Game 7 bottom of the ninth two out grand slam walkoff.