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My personal experience of evangelism
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostCan you name the exact congregation you have in mind so that I know to avoid them? In the 25 years I've been an orthodox Christian, I've never ever seen any evangelists evangelize out of fear or punishment. Ever. That idea is so alien and non-representational of the reality that I've witnessed personally, that I can't help but think you're assuming this based on some sort of odd media-driven stereotype of some sort.
Nearly May, snow?!!? Altitude all of 95m!Last edited by firstfloor; 04-26-2015, 02:18 PM.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostDon't feed the .
― Thomas Merton, Thoughts in Solitude“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAnother very serious problem for evangelists is that they are either acting out of fear of being punished for leaving lost souls behind
or they are exploiting other people’s fear of damnation.
To put it crudely they are either cowards or charlatans.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIt has nothing to do with congregations. The offer contained in the Christian message is much more serious than, say, the offer of a cheese that you might enjoy. What do you think happens to a person if he is shown the ‘way’ and then withholds his love, devotion and obedience?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostYou make very little sense. Your first paragraph praises the passing on of knowledge. Your second paragraph condemns it.
You've got a massively begged question. You're not comparing apples with apples.
In short, while on first glance your post appears eminently sensible, it's full of so much bad logic that it's worthless. THIS WILL NOT DO.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostFirst Floor, at this point you are generating more heat than light in this thread (and I think you're doing it provocatively). As OP I'm going to ask you not to post anymore.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostAs far as I'm aware most* confessional Lutheran denominations (which are the only genuine Lutherans IMO ) require you to get catechised before you're allowed to receive communion in their churches.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThis method of conversion in the Catholic and Orthodox church may count towards why those denominations are shrinking, and why Islam (in the Northern hemisphere) and Protestantism (in the Southern hemisphere) are filling in the gap.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostLutherans are unusual among Protestants in that they practice closed communion.Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostLutherans are the original Protestants. But only confessional Lutherans practice closed communion.
It didn't exactly fool them, but it wasn't really intended to do so. They knew I simply sat quietly without bowing my head when grace was said, because they peeked, the rapscallions! Still, it did make another point I could stress when they were older, that differences in our religious beliefs could be respected.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostLutherans are the original Protestants.
But only confessional Lutherans practice closed communion. The ELCA for example practice open communion.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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