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Noah - the Clean and the Unclean
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Originally posted by whag View PostTheir perception of the world's population is irrelevant to what I said. I asked what's the point of drowning that region when depravity had already radiated across the globe tens of thousands of years prior? My point being that regionalizing the event does nothing to fix the problem."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostAh. I see what you're getting at. I don't really think the interpretation that the flood was local but may have bypassed people living elsewhere in the world makes a whole lot of sense out of Genesis 6:7-8. But then it should come as no surprise that I don't see concordism as the best approach here anyway.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostOr, perhaps the localized region had some special significance and prominence to the authors and readers of the Torah (like...being the Promised Land).
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Originally posted by whag View PostTheir perception of the region isn't nearly as instructive as God's perception of the region, and His intent in drowning it, which seems murky in light of the general revelation (if that's actually a thing).
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI don't understand this post. I don't know what sort of distinction you're trying to make between the author/reader's perception and God's perception, or what you mean by general revelation.
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Originally posted by whag View PostThe flood story doesn't make any more sense regionalized. What exactly was the point of drowning a specific population when the depravity problem had already migrated across the planet?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by whag View PostRe: author, it seems more human authored, so there's necessarily a distinction between the source data (God) and expression (many human story tellers and scribes to write the info down). Re: general revelation, we've since discovered through natural means that human beings were settled elsewhere on the planet, putting God's regret for making "human beings" in a whole different light. You see the distinction.
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People may migrate from the final resting place of Noah's ark, but I think they would not go where it was far from the Mediterranean Sea. Here I must confess there is no evidence of a sudden and massive flooding since the last time the Mediterranean basin was dry. You see, there is evidence that where the Atlantic Ocean would mix with Mediterranean water, the Strait of Gibraltar, there was a dam of sorts. One day it burst open, but that was millions of years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messinian_salinity_crisisThe greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by whag View PostYour reply suggests that all human beings were at some point concentrated in that area.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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