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Alex Malarkey, 'The Boy Who Came Back From Heaven,' Admits He Made It All Up
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Alex Malarkey, 'The Boy Who Came Back From Heaven,' Admits He Made It All Up
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Tags: None
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We have a thread on this in the Christianity forum as well:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ants-his-storyThat's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Mark 12:22-25 ESV ...Last of all the woman also died. In the resurrection, when they rise again, whose wife will she be? For the seven had her as wife.” Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
I think it took a lot of courage for this young man to tell the truth.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostI recall when these "NDEs" first began oozing out in Christian circles. I also recall how complete 180 they were from basic, Biblical understanding. None of what is described in these accounts can be found in scripture regarding what actually IS in Heaven (according to the book itself). It's clear in scripture that people will not be reunited with their families - they will be like angels:
Worth noting is that when Hindus have near death experiences, they meet Krishna or Vishnu in an ornate temple; Buddhists meet Buddha under a tree; Muslims meet Mohammad in the garden of virgins; and Crow Indians visit the happy hunting grounds.
think what happens is that sometimes folks who experience brain death begin to hallucinate. What forms the content for these hallucinations? Probably stuff they see in movies and read in books. Or, some colorful sermons that take license with Biblical imagery. The mind has an incredible ability to create very real illusions given the right stimulus (such as hallucinogens like LSD, and serotonin).
I think it took a lot of courage for this young man to tell the truth.
NORM
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostSo, if I read an account that is consistent with scripture, I should believe it?
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAlex Malarkey"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostThere's only one way to find out for sure.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostIf I only have someone's word for it, and if it seems antecedently very improbable, I can't be absolutely sure it didn't really happen, but I don't think I'm being unreasonable if I think it probably didn't.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post...I do not believe that these there and back books are true, even if the author (or experiencer) is convinced their experience was real.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostWhy not? Are you referring to even the ones that are in line with proper Christian doctrine (I know there were a few)? So, if these people were dead, what happened to their souls?
NORMMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThere are non in line with "proper Christian doctrine" since "proper Christian doctrine" does not have any detail about what it is like in heaven.
10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadiac in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubitsd thick.e 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.f 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.
22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Originally posted by JedidiahPlus the facts that you don't get to come back once you really die.
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