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Behold, atheists' new Ten Commandments
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"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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The Humanist Manifesto is somewhat better worded and thought out then these principles.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
5. God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life.
6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them.
8. We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations.
9. There is no one right way to live.
10. Leave the world a better place than you found it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWho or which culture defines good?
How could a finite creature ever really know the long term consequences of any moral action?
Why? After you are dead it won't matter - to you.
So Stalin's way to live is just as valid as Mother Teresa's?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI find it ironic that even in defining their rules, atheists have to copy religion and come up with "10 commandments" - and twist them.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostFew of us wish for our lives to be ended against our will.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI'd like to focus on this example: sure, few people wish for their own lives to be ended against their will, but this only implies that for one specific person only one person doesn't wish for this person's life to be ended against his will. As it stands, this doesn't immediately translate to a "shared goal" or things "all" value.
For what it's worth, I do think we care about the lives of others even if it's too a lesser extent. There's a sense of vulnerability that arises when you realize that your life can be ended just as quickly as that other guy's.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by whag View PostThis bespeaks a deep ignorance of the origin of morality. For human beings to survive, the taboos of theft and murder must have preceded the codifying.
Basically I was saying "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
Atheism has it's own church now, and it's own 10 commandments. What's next? It's own God?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThat wasn't what I was saying.
Basically I was saying "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
Atheism has it's own church now, and it's own 10 commandments. What's next? It's own God?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThat wasn't what I was saying.
Basically I was saying "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
Atheism has it's own church now, and it's own 10 commandments. What's next? It's own God?Last edited by shunyadragon; 12-21-2014, 01:29 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe problem is these supposed commandments are nothing new. Before Christianity and Hebrew writings they were apart of Vedic teaching in India, and Neolithic China. Social morals and codes of conduct have been around as long as humans have been social animals, and similar simpler codes of conduct such as these exist in primate societies. In chimpanzees theft and wrongful injury to others is punished.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI find it ironic that even in defining their rules, atheists have to copy religion and come up with "10 commandments" - and twist them.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey start their own churches, come up with a set of rules they call the 10 commandments.
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