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This forum is open discussion between atheists and all theists to defend and debate their views on religion or non-religion. Please respect that this is a Christian-owned forum and refrain from gratuitous blasphemy. VERY wide leeway is given in range of expression and allowable behavior as compared to other areas of the forum, and moderation is not overly involved unless necessary. Please keep this in mind. Atheists who wish to interact with theists in a way that does not seek to undermine theistic faith may participate in the World Religions Department. Non-debate question and answers and mild and less confrontational discussions can take place in General Theistics.
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostIt is also true that populations that practice altruism and sharing do better. Behaviour is more complex than 'either/or'.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell no it isn't. Sure it is better for the tribe or group to practice internal altruism. That does not necessarily need to extend to outside groups or tribes. Just look how successful the Europeans were in North America by slaughtering the natives and taking their territories.My Blog: http://oncreationism.blogspot.co.uk/
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Originally posted by The Pixie View PostAnd the Hebrews too, as recorded in Numbers and Deuteronomy.Last edited by seer; 11-17-2014, 10:02 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat a silly argument whag - what if you or I were raised in 1920s Japan - we would probably both would done the same thing in Nanking. And mass mass murder is animal predation, because as you keep making clear - we are all merely animals.
With every new post of yours, I doubt even more that God gave you a magic floating fern show. Your sloppy apologetics indicate the event would've been wasted on you.
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Originally posted by whag View PostWhat an insult to Japanese citizens of the 20s. The slaughter of Nanking had more to do with the military's dehumanization the enemy, which isn't specific to Japan but most militaries. What you just said was tantamount to assuming my mom who grew up in the 60s would participate in a My Lai.
With every new post of yours, I doubt even more that God gave you a magic floating fern show. Your sloppy apologetics indicate the event would've been wasted on you.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOver the years there has been no end to atheistic philosophers developing ethical systems. Some being very good and involved. This is interesting - if they didn't already believe there was something deeply wrong or out of sorts why even attempt to develop such systems? I find it strange, that they find human behavior strange or in need of reform. They don't find it equally upsetting when a lion kills and eats a gazelle, or who one group of chimpanzees slaughters all the males in another group and take their females and territory. We say that is just nature working herself out. But how, for instance, is the Rape of Nanking any different in kind? The second problem is that it is not difficult to invent an ethical system - the problem has always been getting men to follow them. I mean my goodness, if all men followed the simple, easily understood, golden rule, from their heart, we would have heaven on earth tomorrow. But men don't, or only to a limited degree. These atheistic ethical systems are running headlong into human nature - which brings us back to the question - why do they find these very natural behaviors so objectionable? And why don't they apply this same moral outrage to the rest of nature? In a godless universe are we not too just animals doing what animals do?
A natural Creation through evolution is well documented in science is demonstrated by the evolution of social behavior among different species that result in human behavior.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
A natural Creation through evolution is well documented in science is demonstrated by the evolution of social behavior among different species that result in human behavior.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostExcept those were judgements of God. If they weren't then we are back to animals doing what animals do - all quite natural. And beneficial for the conquering tribe.
The alternative is to suppose than the Canaanite deserved to be enslaved because the father of Canaan saw his father naked.My Blog: http://oncreationism.blogspot.co.uk/
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Originally posted by The Pixie View PostIt was animals doing what animals do, then, being smarter animals, justifying by saying it was a judgement of God.
The alternative is to suppose than the Canaanite deserved to be enslaved because the father of Canaan saw his father naked.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYes social behavior like the Holocaust...
Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-17-2014, 03:59 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostAnd this is why threads like this are a waste of time: the extremists aren't interested in any kind of real dialogue. The repetition of slogans is no argument. Intransigence is not a virtue.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostDoes not address the issue, scapegoating and misrepresenting human history gets you nowhere. You would have to justify the Holocaust from your deluded demented perspective on human nature, which cannot be justified from any perspective. Your neglecting role of of the Christian anti-semitism in the many Holocausts of history. Hitler could not have committed the Holocaust without the cooperation of the German people.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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