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Evidence For A Soul?
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Evidence For A Soul?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sTags: None
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Our brains are a complex machine powered by electricity and various neurochemicals. That combination of chemical messengers and electrical impulses is in essence who we are. When death occurs, true medical death all brain activity has ceased and that electrical activity is no longer there. Now the law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be create nor destroyed... so where does it go? Does it dissipate into our body to be grounded or does it go to Heaven/Hell? Not sure but it's food for thought.
One thing is for certain, if souls exist as I believe they do they must be composed of some type of energy, I'm sure of that.
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Originally posted by That Geek 5410 View Post
One thing is for certain, if souls exist as I believe they do they must be composed of some type of energy, I'm sure of that.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSince these people are not actually completely dead, it really doesn't prove anything.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut there is no brain function.
Even a flatline doesn't mean that there's no electrical activity.
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut there is no brain function.
http://www.uofmhealth.org/news/archi...ss-dying-brainLast edited by Sparko; 10-08-2014, 12:30 PM.
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The AWARE project is a study I have been tracking since its inception. Personally, I am most interested in the use of "independent markers" designed to verify the objectivity of "veridical perception" during an OBE (outer-body experience). The results of the study are currently undergoing peer review and should be available to the public in due time:
http://horizonresearch.org/main_page.php?cat_id=212
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostPeople don't wake up right away, they're wheeled into the recovering room. So how do we know they didn't form these experience much later during the time in the recovering room when they were waking up, dreaming and perhaps hearing snippets of conversations around them? That's one of the big problems I have with the ways these studies are typically used. Its taken for granted that the experienced happened during the moment of flatline.
Even a flatline doesn't mean that there's no electrical activity.
Your body will do whatever it can to keep key organs perfused... when that fails it shuts the brain down as a last resort. Perception of the outside world is impossible so you can't simply recall anything as there is nothing for you to remember. If there is a naturalistic explanation to this phenomenon it is certainly not that.
So in short, no sensory capability, no stimuli. No stimuli, no memory.
Source: 7 years as an EMT plus college A&P.Last edited by That Geek 5410; 10-08-2014, 03:36 PM.
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Originally posted by That Geek 5410 View PostIf a patient is in asystole then there is no electrical activity in the heart or there is insufficient electrical activity to be detected on a ecg. The brain will pick up on this via autonomic nervous system and the brain will shut down for the most part. It's a survival mechanism such as when your body shunts blood toward the torso when someone is bleeding out.
Your body will do whatever it can to keep key organs perfused... when that fails it shuts the brain down as a last resort. Perception of the outside world is impossible so you can't simply recall anything as there is nothing for you to remember. If there is a naturalistic explanation to this phenomenon it is certainly not that.
Source: 7 years as an EMT plus college A&P.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI don't mean that your brain remembers things that occurred during the operating theater. I mean that typically these patients are waking up later, hours, days later in recovery. Only then do they report experienced they were supposed to have had during the operating theater, but why assume that those experiences occurred there, and no while they were waking up? As they wake up they might hear doctors or nurses talk and that may or may not affect their dreams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsure there is. They are just unconscious. If there were no brain function, then they would not be able to be revived. You brain remains alive and functioning for 5 or so minutes after your heart stops. You are reading a pop news piece without any facts.
http://www.uofmhealth.org/news/archi...ss-dying-brain
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsure there is. They are just unconscious. If there were no brain function, then they would not be able to be revived. You brain remains alive and functioning for 5 or so minutes after your heart stops. You are reading a pop news piece without any facts.
http://www.uofmhealth.org/news/archi...ss-dying-brainBe watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
"...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
-Ben Witherington III
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Experiences are not really evidence. You can not test them.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostExperiences are not really evidence. You can not test them.
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