What Happened in the Real Beginning?

[whag]

Illusive or elusive? Both?

In any case, you seem to have no comprehension of the point I was actually trying to make.

Original sin isn't *just* a single event but was caused by an event or protracted series of events that made us what we should not be--imperfect. Forget about shunya. Am I getting warm?

[Spartacus]

Original sin isn't *just* a single event but was caused by an event or protracted series of events that made us what we should not be--imperfect. Forget about shunya. Am I getting warm?

There's more than one way to define the term; I use it here to refer to the general state of fallen-ness.

[whag]

There's more than one way to define the term; I use it here to refer to the general state of fallen-ness.

By expunging Satan from the picture, you have an interesting view of the devolved human state. What makes you think that monotheistic belief preceded animism? Just the bible?

[Spartacus]

By expunging Satan from the picture, you have an interesting view of the devolved human state.

We've already been over this: Satan isn't necessary.

What makes you think that monotheistic belief preceded animism? Just the bible?

I have no way of knowing whether monotheism preceded animism.

[whag]

We've already been over this: Satan isn't necessary.

I know. That's why I said you "expunged" satan as irrelevant to the event. If Satan's out of the picture, the same fall event transpires.

I have no way of knowing whether monotheism preceded animism.

Weren't the first "Adams" monotheistic? I'm assuming you have a protracted view of the fall, and I just want to try to understand it.

[shunyadragon]

Illusive or elusive? Both?

In any case, you seem to have no comprehension of the point I was actually trying to make.

If you were making the point that there is possible proof, I am still waiting. If not please explain.

I gave a reasonable reference as to the nature of the Christian belief in 'original sin,' and it is just that the original or first sin of Adam and Eve that caused the Fall and sinful nature of all future generations of humanity.

[shunyadragon]

Original sin isn't *just* a single event but was caused by an event or protracted series of events that made us what we should not be--imperfect. Forget about shunya. Am I getting warm?

The fog index is a bit high here. No your not getting warm. At present you're rather fuzzy and luke warm.

[whag]

The fog index is a bit high here. No your not getting warm. At present you're rather fuzzy and luke warm.

I think Christianity is becoming more ambiguous as the "general revelation" unfolds. That state of affairs has literalists digging their heels in and more moderates forced to imagine a protracted "falling," rather a historic incident, which can play havoc with an absolutist worldview like Christianity.

[shunyadragon]

I think Christianity is becoming more ambiguous as the "general revelation" unfolds. That state of affairs has literalists digging their heels in and more moderates forced to imagine a protracted "falling," rather a historic incident, which can play havoc with an absolutist worldview like Christianity.

I think the ambiguity creeps in when the evidence for the ancient literature of Genesis being the foundation of the Doctrine and Dogma of Christianity as the Original Sin and Fall of humanity unravels. The literalists take the stonewall and siege mentality approach, while the moderate to liberal movements do what they can to shore up their beliefs with revisionist humanist rewrite of the basis for their beliefs.

[whag]

I think the ambiguity creeps in when the evidence for the ancient literature of Genesis being the foundation of the Doctrine and Dogma of Christianity as the Original Sin and Fall of humanity unravels. The literalists take the stonewall and siege mentality approach, while the moderate to liberal movements do what they can to shore up their beliefs with revisionist humanist rewrite of the basis for their beliefs.

That seems to be the case, doesn't it?

Here's a good Pete Enns essay on that problem:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pete-e...b_5902534.html