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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostDon't forget, folks, this is firstfloor you are 'talking" to.
I hope that you and yours are all fit and well. As you see I am doing what little I can to bring enlightenment to the Christians. They are a stubborn lot mainly because they think everyone except them is being stubborn. It is a Gordian knot if every there was one.
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Originally posted by JohnnyP View PostWhere did God lie to Adam? Did you know you were grown up once your dad cursed you to die?
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die……And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil………….and the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
If you want to understand the story itself it is no good to read into it bits and pieces of theology from other books.
The driving out of the garden is really saying that it is impossible to return to ones innocent youth now that you know you are mortal.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostGod lies to Adam to protect him while he remains an innocent child. When he matures, he gains godlike knowledge and is given a gift of clothing. It is a story about mortality and about taking on the sometimes harsh responsibilities of adulthood. Adam does not fall, he grows up.
"God is not a man, that he should lie; . . ." -- Numbers 23:19.
" . . . God, that cannot lie, . . . " -- Titus 1:2.
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Originally posted by seer View PostYet we all rely on knowledge from others. Parent, teachers, and yes clergy...
Originally posted by seer View PostYou claim that having the right dogma isn't important. And that it doesn't exist. But those claims in themselves are dogma, your dogma.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostGod lies to Adam to protect him while he remains an innocent child. When he matures, he gains godlike knowledge and is given a gift of clothing. It is a story about mortality and about taking on the sometimes harsh responsibilities of adulthood. Adam does not fall, he grows up.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostPlease explain how you came to this conclusion. The facts given in the account, God told Adam, ". . . of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: . . ." Add to that you want to disallow the NT. Which also needs an explanation.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostPlease explain how you came to this conclusion. The facts given in the account, God told Adam, ". . . of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: . . ." Add to that you want to disallow the NT. Which also needs an explanation.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThe abundant errors in Christianity all flow from a misunderstanding of Genesis Chapters 2 and 3 because they have emphasised disobedience but missed the necessity of it.
God deliberately tests Adam with the choice of the two trees. His question to Adam is whether he is mature enough to challenge his father and go into the world alone. The challenge does have consequences, as it must. At the end of the story, Adam has achieved godlike maturity and his Father proudly gives his parting gift. Adam did not fall. The whole of Christianity is based on a failed hypothesis, hence the muddle that you referred to.
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Originally posted by whag View Postor people on tweb at all. the point is, a healthy mind has the resources to patch together a workable mechanism for interpreting reality. by healthy mind, I mean one with no handicaps and sufficient intelligence to grasp basic epistemelogy.
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Originally posted by seer View Postor scientists, or people on Tweb named whag...
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Originally posted by Soyeong View PostWelcome!
Learning the meaning of Scripture takes time and effort to study it. While a new Christians can easily learn the basics, there is depth to the Bible that can take a lifetime to learn.
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Originally posted by Shaney777 View PostThis is my first post here, and I am just going to throw my main objection to Christianity out there. This is really a call for understanding, though.
If there really is a "truth" to reality, how is man supposed to sort through the plethora of religious/philosophical information, find the reliable stuff, and develop a worldview that has no serious objections? History's brightest disagree on why humans are here. How can this not mean that we'll never know the truth? How does it not mean that there isn't a truth?
If the same Holy Spirit instructs believers on the true meanings of scripture, why are there so many sincere Christians with different interpretations of how to gain salvation (the most important thing that could possibly be known)?
Thank you for your time,
Shane
you should embrace that fact rather than being bothered by fundamentalist binary thinking. the right dogma isn't important. it doesnt exist. you are a primate with many options and you have the gift of forming your own view by interpreting the big dataset. no priests and clerics needed.
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