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The Laws Of Nature, A Violation?

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  • The Laws Of Nature, A Violation?

    I hesitated re-posting this here because I know I will be mocked or that my sanity or veracity will be questioned. But after two days of reflection I thought I would take a chance. I can only say that I'm relating this story as honestly as I can.

    I wasn't sure which board to post this on, so I'll try this one. I think I experienced something this morning that seemed to defy the laws of nature. I'm out for my morning walk before church in my favorite wood. I was struggling with deep doubt, and for some reason, in that doubt, I just, from the heart, asked God for forgiveness - not necessarily for the doubt, but just in general. Then I had a clear and powerful sense of thankfulness. So I'm walking down this path, about 50 yards past my confession point, and I see a fern suspended in mid air. It wasn't the whole plant, just about 6 or 8 inches of the top of a plant. Now it was a mildly windy morning so I thought some kind of wind vortex was holding it there. But as I watched a breeze would come up, the fern would move a few inches with the breeze then come back right in front of me - at eye level. The wind did not take it away, as I normally would have thought. This happened a number of times, so I thought this must be being held by in a spider web that I just didn't see - so while the fern was gently dancing in front of me I ran my hand and arm all around it - it was not connected to anything. This went on for 12-14 minutes. The fern, always standing straight up and down, would move down to about to about a foot off the ground then up again to about eye level. In very gently motions. There was such a tenderness about the movements it is hard to explain. Again a breeze would come the fern would move a few inches to the right, then once the breeze stopped in slowly moved back in front of my eyes. Like I said, I watched this for 12-14 minutes and as I walked away I kept looking back and she was still in her place.

    Now I'm 61 one years old and have enjoyed nature all of my life and I have seen all manner of weather conditions and their consequences - but I have never seen something so seemingly violate the laws of nature. Was it the tender hand of God, I think it was - though I could never prove it.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    Anecdotal personal testimony of an apparent miraculous event could not falsify the Laws of Nature. Mirages and unexplained sightings of various sorts are a common event.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      Anecdotal personal testimony of an apparent miraculous event could not falsify the Laws of Nature. Mirages and unexplained sightings of various sorts are a common event.

      Well if you have a natural explanation I would like to hear it because I have been racking my brain to come up with one.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        No matter what the "cause", seer, it seems to me that God was answering your doubt with a sign for you. Even if it were some weird wind vortex, the timing seems to be such that it came at a time when you needed it.


        Something similar happened to me once. I was seriously doubting and asked God to show me if he was real. I was driving down a road at night, one I drove down several dozen times before, and just before I passed under a street light, it went out. Then the next one did, and the next one, for 10 lights. Sure I could come up with an explanation, like maybe conditions were just perfect that night for my headlights to reflect in the perfect way to hit the daylight sensors on the streetlights, making them go out. But it happened right when I needed it to. so even if it were a completely natural phenomenon, it happened at the perfect time. It has never happened before or after I drove down that road and I did so for several years before I moved. Sometimes God uses miracles, and sometimes God can use ordinary means in unusual circumstances to give us signs or lift our spirits.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          No matter what the "cause", seer, it seems to me that God was answering your doubt with a sign for you. Even if it were some weird wind vortex, the timing seems to be such that it came at a time when you needed it.
          I think that is what happened. This was so out of the ordinary.


          Something similar happened to me once. I was seriously doubting and asked God to show me if he was real. I was driving down a road at night, one I drove down several dozen times before, and just before I passed under a street light, it went out. Then the next one did, and the next one, for 10 lights. Sure I could come up with an explanation, like maybe conditions were just perfect that night for my headlights to reflect in the perfect way to hit the daylight sensors on the streetlights, making them go out. But it happened right when I needed it to. so even if it were a completely natural phenomenon, it happened at the perfect time. It has never happened before or after I drove down that road and I did so for several years before I moved. Sometimes God uses miracles, and sometimes God can use ordinary means in unusual circumstances to give us signs or lift our spirits.
          Yes, I have experience some events that seemed to defy coincidence, but this later experience really rock my world. I'm still, in my mind, trying find a natural explanation.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #6
            Yes, I have experience some events that seemed to defy coincidence, but this later experience really rock my world. I'm still, in my mind, trying find a natural explanation.
            And the more extraordinary it is, the harder the person will try. I put it down to the mind of the flesh not being happy.
            sigpic1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post
              And the more extraordinary it is, the harder the person will try. I put it down to the mind of the flesh not being happy.
              You know tabibito, the more I think about this experience the more I believe it was supernatural, but something in me does not want to accept that. It could be my "flesh" - I'm not sure.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #8
                I remember thinking - "this is the 20th Century...this kind of thing is superstitious nonsense."
                sigpic1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                  I remember thinking - "this is the 20th Century...this kind of thing is superstitious nonsense."
                  Even as a Christian, I don't like things that don't make sense.
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Even as a Christian, I don't like things that don't make sense.
                    It made perfect sense at the time, and couldn't even be said to be unexpected, which isn't to say that it was expected. After that, I spent a week (or maybe 5 days) trying to convince myself that it hadn't happened. (36 years ago, and I didn't keep a diary).
                    sigpic1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                      It made perfect sense at the time, and couldn't even be said to be unexpected, which isn't to say that it was expected. After that, I spent a week (or maybe 5 days) trying to convince myself that it hadn't happened. (36 years ago, and I didn't keep a diary).
                      Can you tell us exactly what happened?
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        It was the day I decided to commit to Christ (while I was at work), maybe an hour or so later. I was witnessing to a Satanic priestess who wanted out. Just a small display of telekinesis that gave her confidence enough to believe what I was saying and take the offer of salvation.
                        sigpic1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                          It was the day I decided to commit to Christ (while I was at work), maybe an hour or so later. I was witnessing to a Satanic priestess who wanted out. Just a small display of telekinesis that gave her confidence enough to believe what I was saying and take the offer of salvation.
                          Telekinesis - interesting, did you move something with your mind? Or know something you should not haven't known?
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #14
                            Not with my mind - and telekinesis is only a very rough description. Just a bristling feeling at the back of my head and then a bluish coloured ball of light travelling away from me (again, not an accurate description but as good as I can give - passing through my eyes) and striking a billiard ball. It was enough to convince the lady that she was safe, but she only saw the result, not the ball of light.
                            sigpic1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                              Anecdotal personal testimony of an apparent miraculous event could not falsify the Laws of Nature. Mirages and unexplained sightings of various sorts are a common event.
                              Miracles don't falsify anything. The Laws of Nature are just norms. It's possible to go against a norm.
                              Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

                              -Thomas Aquinas

                              I love to travel, But hate to arrive.

                              -Hernando Cortez

                              What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?

                              -Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor

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