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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, not all atheists, I have a good friend who is an atheist, who does not actively evangelize his atheism. As opposed to a Dawkins that speaks at public rallies that says that people of faith should "publicly mocked."My Blog: http://oncreationism.blogspot.co.uk/
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Originally posted by The Pixie View PostSo basically you are reduced to arguing semantics.
Nonsense, when the likes of Dawkins are publicly stating what they do? With thousands of listeners/followers? Belittling people of faith, destroying hope when they themselves are clueless. This is not mere semantics Pixie, and the fact that you couch it in such terms really just proves my point. You are no more in search of "truth" than Dawkins...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense, when the likes of Dawkins are publicly stating what they do? With thousands of listeners/followers? Belittling people of faith, destroying hope when they themselves are clueless. This is not mere semantics Pixie, and the fact that you couch it in such terms really just proves my point. You are no more in search of "truth" than Dawkins...
You complain about Dawkins belittling people of faith; will you also complain when people of faith belittle others? Will you condemn the demonisation of Darwin, for example? Or is it only when your own side is belittled that you object?
In fact, you describe Dawkins as "clueless". So it seems you are perfectly willing to belittle others yourself. Is that not a little hypocritical?
On what basis do you describe Dawkins as "clueless"? Is this really a true claim, or are you as lost to truth as you say I am?
Dawkins does what he does to educate people. You may think he is wrong, but he does not. He may not be 100% sure (I do not know), but he is sure enough to feel he is doing the right thing. That is why he does it. What he is doing might be destroying hope, but it might also be destroying fanatism, and I for one would applaud that. He might be educating people to think for themselves, and I would applaud that too.
Or can you suggest some other reason why he attacks religion?My Blog: http://oncreationism.blogspot.co.uk/
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Originally posted by The Pixie View PostWhen you say: First, this is not how many atheists approach the subject, many high profile atheists. If you really think like you stated above then I wouldn't call you an atheist but an agnostic. you are reduced to semantics. You are trying to relabel things to suit your agenda.
You complain about Dawkins belittling people of faith; will you also complain when people of faith belittle others? Will you condemn the demonisation of Darwin, for example? Or is it only when your own side is belittled that you object?
In fact, you describe Dawkins as "clueless". So it seems you are perfectly willing to belittle others yourself. Is that not a little hypocritical?
Dawkins does what he does to educate people. You may think he is wrong, but he does not. He may not be 100% sure (I do not know), but he is sure enough to feel he is doing the right thing. That is why he does it. What he is doing might be destroying hope, but it might also be destroying fanatism, and I for one would applaud that. He might be educating people to think for themselves, and I would applaud that too.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense, again it is not about semantics for all the reasons I gave in this thread. Remember I started off speaking of "militate atheists" not necessarily all atheists.
More nonsense, I don't go around suggesting that atheist should be charge with child abuse for teaching their kids atheism - as both Dawkins, and I believe Dennett, do when it comes to religion, or that teaching your child your faith is "permanently more harmful than sexual abuse." I don't call for public mocking and marginalizing of people with no faith.
You do not object to belittling other people, and presumably you do not object to saying your opponents should be charged with child abuse, but you do object to doing both? Is that right? It was the belittling you originally objected to, right, not the child abuse thing?
Can you give an instance of when Dawkins or Dennett called for a public mocking of people of faith. I missed that, though I admit I do not follow either of them.
And Dawkins is clueless since he can not, on any level, prove his claim.
And Dawkins and his ilk are not fanatics? Oh please...My Blog: http://oncreationism.blogspot.co.uk/
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Originally posted by seer View PostActually Norm, I don't think you are at all happy with people of faith. I would in fact put you in the militant atheist/agnostic camp. One of the destroyers of hope...
I'm not militant at all. I don't mind a bit that you worship invisible things - so long as you don't chop my head off.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by The Pixie View PostIt is an interesting argument: We should all pretend God exists, because they we have false hope to help us cope with the bad times.
I am more used to arguing about whether or not god exists, rather than whether we should pretend he exists. I will have to think about this one.
Now I have come to grips with the fact of death. The greatest comfort is that once I take that last breath, I will no longer be concerned with it. If by some great surprise, there actually is a G-d; it will indeed be a pleasant awakening. Given all the beauty in the world, a creator couldn't possibly be as mean as the theists make him out to be. Roasting humans alive for all of eternity like ants on a sidewalk: how absurd!
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by The Pixie View PostSo why did you try to relabel me as an agnostic? If that is not sematic wrangling, I do not know what is.
So let me see if I have your position straight.
You do not object to belittling other people, and presumably you do not object to saying your opponents should be charged with child abuse, but you do object to doing both? Is that right? It was the belittling you originally objected to, right, not the child abuse thing?
Can you give an instance of when Dawkins or Dennett called for a public mocking of people of faith. I missed that, though I admit I do not follow either of them.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...4035818AACpg4K
When they start flying planes into buildings or burning people at the stake then you can call them fanatics. As far as I know, all they do is talk and write, activities protected by freedom of speech. I do not call such activity fanatical. It tells me something that you do. Perhaps you need to get a sense of proportion.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostI'm not militant at all. I don't mind a bit that you worship invisible things - so long as you don't chop my head off.
NORMAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostGiven all the beauty in the world, a creator couldn't possibly be as mean as the theists make him out to be. Roasting humans alive for all of eternity like ants on a sidewalk: how absurd!The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostPossibly you will think differently after reading this book http://www.amazon.com/What-In-Hell-G.../dp/B005FFNZU2
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by seer View PostYour on going rants belie this claim.
This from someone who has no less than 35 threads started bashing gays, liberals, feminists, climatologists, scientists, evolutionists, atheists, agnostics, and just about anyone else who doesn't view the world through 11th Century, patriarchal goggles.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostIf believing that those who don't share your mythology will suffer in Hell (whichever of the myriad ways in which Christians define it) while you enjoy eternal bliss helps you cope with death, then more power to you. But, J.P. Holding? Really? That's who you bring out to defend belief in Hell?
NORMThe greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostA reason I suggested the book was that you set up a strawman, at least as Holding would view your posts. The strawman: "Roasting humans alive . . ."
The fact that the Bible could be interpreted to not imply human immolation doesn't negate the fact that countless pew muffins still believe it. It was taught from the pulpit of the Baptist church I attended as a child.
Thus; not a straw-man argument.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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