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  • #2
    First, I don't know if scripture is inerrant. Or that it needs to be, to be generally accurate and reliable. I suppose that an all powerful Creator could cause the writers to be perfectly accurate. But I don't know if that is how God worked. As far as inspiration today, I think it is possible, but I would have to look at specific texts - if it contradicts the Bible then I would reject it. The Catholic Church has added non-biblical doctrines over the years like the assumption of Mary that are not found directly in Scripture but do not contradict scripture. I'm not Catholic but I don't believe that such doctrines really bear on the core message of practice and faith, so are rather harmless.
    Last edited by seer; 01-22-2014, 09:19 AM.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #3
      where's the amen button when you need it?
      A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
      George Bernard Shaw

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
        where's the amen button when you need it?
        AMEN!
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          First, I don't know if scripture is inerrant. Or that it needs to be, to be generally accurate and reliable. I suppose that an all powerful Creator could cause the writers to be perfectly accurate. But I don't know if that is how God worked. As far as inspiration today, I think it is possible, but I would have to look at specific texts - if it contradicts the Bible then I would reject it. The Catholic Church has added non-biblical doctrines over the years like the assumption of Mary that are not found directly in Scripture but do not contradict scripture. I'm not Catholic but I don't believe that such doctrines really bear on the core message of practice and faith, so are rather harmless.

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          • #6
            The following was the only part of the post that really had something substantial to be answered.

            [b]Well, that's the thing, certain things were considered to be inspired that were not Scripture, nor inerrant. That's not really the point of this post is it? Let's put it this way, it would agree with what's already been revealed.

            What is inspiration?
            Biblical inspiration would be when the Holy Spirit is indwelling the author, guiding, but not in a mechanical way(they aren't being used like puppets), what is being written. Allowing the person's style to come through, but preventing error and falsehood from entering what's being written.

            How do you know when you are inspired?
            I'm not sure a person can truly know that.

            What stops people from writing God inspired literature in the present day?
            Nothing. Of course He likely wouldn't be doing the writing, only the inspiration.

            Is it possible that modern God inspired literature does exist but it is not recognised as such because of conservative opinions in The Church?

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            • #7
              So you think Jesus mistakenly died to save us from nothing? That Adam is the real hero? This shows an immense lack of understanding of both the OT and NT.

              Nope. God still loving Adam promised a way out of the sinful state(the seed of the woman that crushes the head of the serpent). Death being both a punishment, and a mercy. It would be the only way Christ could come and undo the curse.
              You are misunderstanding the text on a profound level. God has nothing to fear. Certainly not Adam. Especially since Adam would only gain eternal life by eating from the tree of life. He would have had that anyway had he not eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

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              • #8
                I think what I always think - you are daft.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  I think what I always think - you are daft.

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                  • #10
                    Really FF, no Jewish or Christian scholar is going to agree that God somehow feared Adam...
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #11
                      Your only hope for finding such an interpretation is from those who were clearly heretics. Even then, your probably not going to find much.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        Is it physically possible for The Bible or any part of its content, even in the autographs, to be inerrant? . . .
                        Inerrancy goes with God being Himself inerrant. So therefore His words would be inerrant.

                        What inerrancy is not:
                        1) It is not the ability of the reader to inerrantly read God's word.

                        2) It is not inerrant translation of God's word.

                        3) It is not the known variants in the hand copies of God's word.

                        "Every word of God is pure: . . ." -- Proverbs 30.5.

                        "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." -- Psalm 19:7.

                        "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." -- Psalm 119:89.

                        The problems called Biblical errancy have 3 causes:
                        1) Is always an issue of interpretation.

                        2) Can be a problem do to translation.

                        3) Can be a problem do to a known textual variants.

                        Without exception, one or any combination can be shown to be at issue.
                        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                        • #13
                          A short answer:

                          The fall of Adam and Eve was do to Adam disobeying (Genesis 1:17, " . . . the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: . . . ." Romans 5:19, ". . . For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, . . . ")

                          And it was the acquiring of God's knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:22) which causes mankind to have a sinful nature. Man created good, only being finite being (Genesis 1:26, 31). The knowledge of evil corrupts mankind, and the knowledge of good condemns mankind before God. God being infinite good.
                          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            A short answer:
                            The fall of Adam and Eve was do to Adam disobeying (Genesis 1:17, " . . . the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: . . . ." Romans 5:19, ". . . For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, . . . ")
                            And it was the acquiring of God's knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:22) which causes mankind to have a sinful nature. Man created good, only being finite being (Genesis 1:26, 31). The knowledge of evil corrupts mankind, and the knowledge of good condemns mankind before God. God being infinite good.
                            Genesis is hundreds of years older than the New Testament so it is not appropriate to look for an explanation of it in the New Testament.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                              Genesis is hundreds of years older than the New Testament so it is not appropriate to look for an explanation of it in the New Testament.
                              Why not? IIRC Jews weren't into theological innovation. For them, if it was new, it wasn't good, and if it was good, it wasn't new. Much of the ANE felt the same IIRC.

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