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The Falwell Affair
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostHowever, that the topic resonated with so many does raise some interesting questions, does it not?
I'm more inclined to ask about who fired the cannon.
But not here.
This thread is about the Falwell affair.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThen why mention it?
What "bad argument"? I made an observation in reply to KingsGambit on the likelihood of homophobic pastors [some of whom are later discovered to be homosexual/bisexual] projecting their own self loathing on to homosexuals who openly embrace and enjoy their sexuality.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNo, you didn't. Your "observation" was rather broader than that. As the Jerk would rather it not be further addressed here, I will let it drop.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIt's been suggested that pastors who struggle with certain sins preach most often on those sins, as if to themselves. So it's plausible that some who may secretly struggle with homosexuality might focus on that issue to the exclusion of nearly all others.Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostFreudian denial and/or self loathing? The latter being projected on to those who openly embrace and enjoy their sexuality as particularly vehement condemnation by the closet gay/bisexual.Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIn some cases this might be true. When I lived in Kansas, I knew a psychologist who was a very conservative Christian and an expert on sexuality. We were talking about our state's most favorite famous religious figure and he was fairly confident that Fred Phelps was likely projecting his own sexual feelings outward. I don't know if that's true or not but I was surprised at how confident he was.Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI suspect there is a strong likelihood.
People who are brainwashed into denying their feelings and repeatedly told that their feelings [or their actions] are disgusting because those feelings and actions are "sinful" [especially if the individual is quite young at the time] can be psychologically scarred for life.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWon't someone think of the pedophiles?
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostAs you wish. Please leave.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostNot in the sense you're suggesting.
From my own research over the years it would appear that present day conspiracy theories on satanic abuse and paedophila are merely the latest accretions that have built up over centuries which have their origins in the regular vilification of the Jews by Patristic and Medieval writers. Various ECFs including Irenaeus and Justin Martyr accused the Jews of habitual crimes including sexual vice and Chrysostom accused them of cannibalism. George Soros the latest exemplar of the "evil Jew" is to be found in these conspiracy theories, to wit his alleged involvement with the current protests in the US.
Substitute witches, communists, BLM, gays, Illuminati, Muslims, Democrats, or whatever group is to be denounced and vilified, and the ground is already prepared."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI should have put an emoticon beside that remark. I remember the Satanic Panics and various cases in the USA such as the McMartins and the Kellers.
From my own research over the years it would appear that present day conspiracy theories on satanic abuse and paedophila are merely the latest accretions that have built up over centuries which have their origins in the regular vilification of the Jews by Patristic and Medieval writers. Various ECFs including Irenaeus and Justin Martyr accused the Jews of habitual crimes including sexual vice and Chrysostom accused them of cannibalism. George Soros the latest exemplar of the "evil Jew" is to be found in these conspiracy theories, to wit his alleged involvement with the current protests in the US.
There was a fad some years ago that sprouted signs in the backs of car windows cautioning that there was a "Baby on Board." It was quite popular, and all the more so because so many of us have children, most of whom were once babies — I'm not entirely sure about the ones I see in supermarkets and variety stores because I've yet to discover the aisle where they're displayed for sale.
From their behavior once in the carts, though, I have to wonder why anyone would think they're worth the price.
But any voicing of a threat to children provokes a mindless response from the reptile brain where logic and reason hold no sway, evidenced by the piglet's mockery of any interest in the well-being of pedophiles without concern that it could be judged inhuman, or at the very least, unhelpful. Rationally, we should either kill them all or find a way for them to live without endangering the community.
Instead, they're treated to ancient moral condemnations with no better track record than those used to answer sexual improprieties in the priesthood.
Or Liberty University.
Substitute witches, communists, BLM, gays, Illuminati, Muslims, Democrats, or whatever group is to be denounced and vilified, and the ground is already prepared.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostNo accounting of Christian anti-semitism should exclude Luther's On the Jews and their lies, IMHO.
However, between that and his later texts, particularly the one you have cited, which are not only incredibly hostile but also exceptionally polemical, Luther’s views fundamentally altered. He appears to have initially advocated complete toleration for the Jews because he seems to have believed that , like the converted Jew he knew [Bernhard], other Jews would be moved to follow Bernhard’s example. When they didn’t, Luther’s view went to the other extreme.
Originally posted by Juvenal View PostThere was a fad some years ago that sprouted signs in the backs of car windows cautioning that there was a "Baby on Board." It was quite popular, and all the more so because so many of us have children, most of whom were once babies — I'm not entirely sure about the ones I see in supermarkets and variety stores because I've yet to discover the aisle where they're displayed for sale.
From their behavior once in the carts, though, I have to wonder why anyone would think they're worth the price.
But any voicing of a threat to children provokes a mindless response from the reptile brain where logic and reason hold no sway, evidenced by the piglet's mockery of any interest in the well-being of pedophiles without concern that it could be judged inhuman, or at the very least, unhelpful. Rationally, we should either kill them all or find a way for them to live without endangering the community.
Instead, they're treated to ancient moral condemnations with no better track record than those used to answer sexual improprieties in the priesthood.
Or Liberty University.
Originally posted by Juvenal View PostI for one welcome our new Reptilian overlords."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Not gonna link this directly because language.
Larry Flynt: My Final Farewell to the Falwells
Ironically, Falwell Sr. and I actually became friends later. We enjoyed many cordial visits, participated in debates across the country, and even exchanged Christmas cards. I have to concede that his friendship with me proves that, for the most part, he was practicing an essential tenet of his faith, forgiveness, and was a sincere Christian.
It's fair to say he was less sympathetic to Jr.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostMy question would be why are Christian pastors/leaders so often found to be adulterers, swindlers, and on several occasions gay?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Meanwhile... An update.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Another update, but from Vanity Fair[1]:
[*Story continues at hyperlink provided above*]
I detest the sort of journalism they use, namely trying to make the reporter part of the story.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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