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  • #31
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    The thing that often appears to be the case is that the ones that are exposed by the media are the ones who have a penchant for inveighing against the very things they are caught doing.

    The pastor who inveighs against divorce and adultery is exposed as an adulterer.
    The pastor who inveighs against pornography is caught visiting prostitutes.
    The pastor who inveighs against the evils of homosexuality is exposed by his boyfriend.

    It's rank hypocrisy.

    And, as I mentioned earlier, Acton's wise words apply as much to Christian leaders, both now and in the past, as they do to any other situations or organisations where power accumulates.
    So... nothing on the 'often' claim?

    I agree that church leaders who fail are often hypocrites. Maybe there's something in that - perhaps people who already have certain issues gravitate to where they feel they can get those issues addressed, but never really deal with them.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
      So... nothing on the 'often' claim?

      I agree that church leaders who fail are often hypocrites. Maybe there's something in that - perhaps people who already have certain issues gravitate to where they feel they can get those issues addressed, but never really deal with them.
      As previously noted "I suppose it is like paedophiles - you only know about them when they get caught and named". However, given your own comments regarding the possible predilection for left-wing politics to attract paedophiles, on what evidence did you make that supposition?
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        As previously noted "I suppose it is like paedophiles - you only know about them when they get caught and named". However, given your own comments regarding the possible predilection for left-wing politics to attract paedophiles, on what evidence did you make that supposition?
        Than we have Qanon supported by many conservatives . . .
        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          As previously noted "I suppose it is like paedophiles - you only know about them when they get caught and named". However, given your own comments regarding the possible predilection for left-wing politics to attract paedophiles, on what evidence did you make that supposition?
          What I said was simply suggesting an alternative to your statement. Perhaps paedophiles are (for whatever reasons) more inclined to be left-wing. Left-wing politics do seem to look more favourably on a diversity of sexual behaviours than right-wing ones do.

          Anyway, back on topic. Your suggestion that Christian leaders are 'often' engaged in various kinds of immorality is simply an unsourced opinion, since you haven't been able to provide any comparisons with other similar groups, or any statistics. No doubt some are - I have worked with one, unknowingly - but to say that it's 'often' is suggestive of your personal bias rather than any objective data.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
            What I said was simply suggesting an alternative to your statement. Perhaps paedophiles are (for whatever reasons) more inclined to be left-wing. Left-wing politics do seem to look more favourably on a diversity of sexual behaviours than right-wing ones do.
            My remark, and upon which you commented, was questioning a generalisation predicated on selected instances.

            Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
            , back on topic. Your suggestion that Christian leaders are 'often' engaged in various kinds of immorality is simply an unsourced opinion
            Correction. I never wrote that "Christian leaders are often engaged in various kinds of immorality". That is a statement. My initial observation was posed as a question.
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • #36
              Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
              Than we have Qanon supported by many conservatives . . .
              Then. When are you going to learn basic English grammar? Maybe HA can teach you to write better?
              That's what
              - She

              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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              • #37
                Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                So... nothing on the 'often' claim?

                I agree that church leaders who fail are often hypocrites. Maybe there's something in that - perhaps people who already have certain issues gravitate to where they feel they can get those issues addressed, but never really deal with them.
                It's been suggested that pastors who struggle with certain sins preach most often on those sins, as if to themselves. So it's plausible that some who may secretly struggle with homosexuality might focus on that issue to the exclusion of nearly all others.
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  It's been suggested that pastors who struggle with certain sins preach most often on those sins, as if to themselves. So it's plausible that some who may secretly struggle with homosexuality might focus on that issue to the exclusion of nearly all others.
                  Freudian denial and/or self loathing? The latter being projected on to those who openly embrace and enjoy their sexuality as particularly vehement condemnation by the closet gay/bisexual.
                  Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 08-31-2020, 12:02 PM.
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    Freudian denial and/or self loathing? The latter being projected on to those who openly embrace and enjoy their sexuality as particularly vehement condemnation by the closet gay/bisexual.
                    In some cases this might be true. When I lived in Kansas, I knew a psychologist who was a very conservative Christian and an expert on sexuality. We were talking about our state's most favorite famous religious figure and he was fairly confident that Fred Phelps was likely projecting his own sexual feelings outward. I don't know if that's true or not but I was surprised at how confident he was.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      Than we have Qanon supported by many conservatives . . .
                      How many?
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        How many?
                        Quite a few, let's be honest. Note the Gospel Coalition link I posted elsewhere. It's taken off like wildfire among conservatives I know, even in my family.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          Quite a few, let's be honest. Note the Gospel Coalition link I posted elsewhere. It's taken off like wildfire among conservatives I know, even in my family.
                          Wow. I must run in the wrong (or right) circles!
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #43
                            maybe I should join! Do we get a funny looking hat and a dance?



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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              In some cases this might be true.
                              I suspect there is a strong likelihood.

                              People who are brainwashed into denying their feelings and repeatedly told that their feelings [or their actions] are disgusting because those feelings and actions are "sinful" [especially if the individual is quite young at the time] can be psychologically scarred for life.
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I suspect there is a strong likelihood.

                                People who are brainwashed into denying their feelings and repeatedly told that their feelings [or their actions] are disgusting because those feelings and actions are "sinful" [especially if the individual is quite young at the time] can be psychologically scarred for life.
                                Won't someone think of the pedophiles?
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