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  • #61
    Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
    Maybe HA can teach you to write better than you?
    Sure, whatever you say.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
      However, that the topic resonated with so many does raise some interesting questions, does it not?
      Not in the sense you're suggesting. Pedophile scares are common. In an earlier time, similarly inchoate fears led to witch trials. Asking about the inner motivations of the accusers seems too much to me like asking about the motivations of a cannon round.

      I'm more inclined to ask about who fired the cannon.

      But not here.

      This thread is about the Falwell affair.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Sure, whatever you say.
        As you wish. Please leave.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          Then why mention it?

          What "bad argument"? I made an observation in reply to KingsGambit on the likelihood of homophobic pastors [some of whom are later discovered to be homosexual/bisexual] projecting their own self loathing on to homosexuals who openly embrace and enjoy their sexuality.
          No, you didn't. Your "observation" was rather broader than that. As the Jerk would rather it not be further addressed here, I will let it drop.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            No, you didn't. Your "observation" was rather broader than that. As the Jerk would rather it not be further addressed here, I will let it drop.
            Forgive me. Discussions of logical inferences are argument structures are fine. But I don't want to turn this into a Qanon/pizzagate thread or a thread about the coming election.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              It's been suggested that pastors who struggle with certain sins preach most often on those sins, as if to themselves. So it's plausible that some who may secretly struggle with homosexuality might focus on that issue to the exclusion of nearly all others.
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              Freudian denial and/or self loathing? The latter being projected on to those who openly embrace and enjoy their sexuality as particularly vehement condemnation by the closet gay/bisexual.
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              In some cases this might be true. When I lived in Kansas, I knew a psychologist who was a very conservative Christian and an expert on sexuality. We were talking about our state's most favorite famous religious figure and he was fairly confident that Fred Phelps was likely projecting his own sexual feelings outward. I don't know if that's true or not but I was surprised at how confident he was.
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              I suspect there is a strong likelihood.

              People who are brainwashed into denying their feelings and repeatedly told that their feelings [or their actions] are disgusting because those feelings and actions are "sinful" [especially if the individual is quite young at the time] can be psychologically scarred for life.
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Won't someone think of the pedophiles?
              I think that's a stretch, though there's likely an unwitting germ of truth in it. I think it would be better to treat pedophilia as a dangerous medical condition than to treat it as a moral failure. If homosexuality was similarly destructive, you'd have a better point.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                As you wish. Please leave.
                Yes sir. Have a wonderful day.
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                  Not in the sense you're suggesting.
                  I should have put an emoticon beside that remark. I remember the Satanic Panics and various cases in the USA such as the McMartins and the Kellers.

                  From my own research over the years it would appear that present day conspiracy theories on satanic abuse and paedophila are merely the latest accretions that have built up over centuries which have their origins in the regular vilification of the Jews by Patristic and Medieval writers. Various ECFs including Irenaeus and Justin Martyr accused the Jews of habitual crimes including sexual vice and Chrysostom accused them of cannibalism. George Soros the latest exemplar of the "evil Jew" is to be found in these conspiracy theories, to wit his alleged involvement with the current protests in the US.

                  Substitute witches, communists, BLM, gays, Illuminati, Muslims, Democrats, or whatever group is to be denounced and vilified, and the ground is already prepared.
                  "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    I should have put an emoticon beside that remark. I remember the Satanic Panics and various cases in the USA such as the McMartins and the Kellers.

                    From my own research over the years it would appear that present day conspiracy theories on satanic abuse and paedophila are merely the latest accretions that have built up over centuries which have their origins in the regular vilification of the Jews by Patristic and Medieval writers. Various ECFs including Irenaeus and Justin Martyr accused the Jews of habitual crimes including sexual vice and Chrysostom accused them of cannibalism. George Soros the latest exemplar of the "evil Jew" is to be found in these conspiracy theories, to wit his alleged involvement with the current protests in the US.
                    No accounting of Christian anti-semitism should exclude Luther's On the Jews and their lies, IMHO.

                    There was a fad some years ago that sprouted signs in the backs of car windows cautioning that there was a "Baby on Board." It was quite popular, and all the more so because so many of us have children, most of whom were once babies — I'm not entirely sure about the ones I see in supermarkets and variety stores because I've yet to discover the aisle where they're displayed for sale.

                    From their behavior once in the carts, though, I have to wonder why anyone would think they're worth the price.

                    But any voicing of a threat to children provokes a mindless response from the reptile brain where logic and reason hold no sway, evidenced by the piglet's mockery of any interest in the well-being of pedophiles without concern that it could be judged inhuman, or at the very least, unhelpful. Rationally, we should either kill them all or find a way for them to live without endangering the community.

                    Instead, they're treated to ancient moral condemnations with no better track record than those used to answer sexual improprieties in the priesthood.

                    Or Liberty University.

                    Substitute witches, communists, BLM, gays, Illuminati, Muslims, Democrats, or whatever group is to be denounced and vilified, and the ground is already prepared.
                    I for one welcome our new Reptilian overlords.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                      No accounting of Christian anti-semitism should exclude Luther's On the Jews and their lies, IMHO.
                      Ah but he came much later and was building on a well laid foundation. Luther and the Jews is a complex issue. He did write That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew.

                      However, between that and his later texts, particularly the one you have cited, which are not only incredibly hostile but also exceptionally polemical, Luther’s views fundamentally altered. He appears to have initially advocated complete toleration for the Jews because he seems to have believed that , like the converted Jew he knew [Bernhard], other Jews would be moved to follow Bernhard’s example. When they didn’t, Luther’s view went to the other extreme.

                      Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                      There was a fad some years ago that sprouted signs in the backs of car windows cautioning that there was a "Baby on Board." It was quite popular, and all the more so because so many of us have children, most of whom were once babies — I'm not entirely sure about the ones I see in supermarkets and variety stores because I've yet to discover the aisle where they're displayed for sale.

                      From their behavior once in the carts, though, I have to wonder why anyone would think they're worth the price.

                      But any voicing of a threat to children provokes a mindless response from the reptile brain where logic and reason hold no sway, evidenced by the piglet's mockery of any interest in the well-being of pedophiles without concern that it could be judged inhuman, or at the very least, unhelpful. Rationally, we should either kill them all or find a way for them to live without endangering the community.

                      Instead, they're treated to ancient moral condemnations with no better track record than those used to answer sexual improprieties in the priesthood.

                      Or Liberty University.
                      The attitudes are remarkably brutal and [dare I write it?] very unChristian. What would Jesus do, one wonders?

                      Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                      I for one welcome our new Reptilian overlords.
                      "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                      • #71
                        Not gonna link this directly because language.

                        Larry Flynt: My Final Farewell to the Falwells
                        Ironically, Falwell Sr. and I actually became friends later. We enjoyed many cordial visits, participated in debates across the country, and even exchanged Christmas cards. I have to concede that his friendship with me proves that, for the most part, he was practicing an essential tenet of his faith, forgiveness, and was a sincere Christian.

                        It's fair to say he was less sympathetic to Jr.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                          My question would be why are Christian pastors/leaders so often found to be adulterers, swindlers, and on several occasions gay?
                          If I count correctly, I think 4 of 4 attempts to run right-wing Christian political parties in my country during my lifetime (depending on how you count them exactly) ended with sex scandals on the part of the leader. As far as I can recall, no leader of any secular political party here has ever had a sex scandal. So it doesn't seem to be an America-only issue.

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