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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think you must be contending for the "dumbest poster" award, Tassy. You got my vote."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIs firstfloor being excluded on the account of having already won a lifetime award?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou're working overtime at trying to sound like an idiot when you really don't have to.
It is a matter of historical record that slavery was justified by Christian slave-owners according to certain cherry-picked texts, e.g. Ephesians, VI, 5-7: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ".
And the disenfranchisement of women was justified by the likes of texts such as: 1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet".
This is NOT how these and similar texts viewed today because social values have moved on. But, if Christians got it so drastically wrong for so many centuries, how can anyone be sure they haven’t also got it wrong about current social issues such as abortion and homosexuality?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou’re avoiding the issue with your personal abuse, as you tend to do, and so is CP....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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If I were dealing with an honest seeker, I would refer to the impossible faith thesis and the five basic facts concerning the Resurrection, but in this case, that would be like giving pearls to pigs. The little piggy just can't comprehend the value and is upset it is not edible.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostIf I were dealing with an honest seeker,
I would refer to the impossible faith thesis and the five basic facts concerning the Resurrection,
See Prof. Bart Ehrman: 2009 Debate With Mike Licona: Can Historians Prove the Resurrection of Jesus?
https://ehrmanblog.org/video-ehrman-...a-2009-debate/
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“Even the Catholic Church—home to one billion of the world’s two billion Christians—states in its Catechism: “Although the Resurrection was an historical event that could be verified by the sign of the empty tomb and by the reality of the apostles’ encounters with the risen Christ, still it remains at the very heart of the mystery of faith as something that transcends and surpasses history.”
https://michaelshermer.com/2017/04/h...-resurrection/
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWAAAAAaaaaannnnnhhhhhhhLast edited by Tassman; 09-27-2019, 12:02 AM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSad.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostIf I were dealing with an honest seeker, I would refer to the impossible faith thesis and the five basic facts concerning the Resurrection, but in this case, that would be like giving pearls to pigs. The little piggy just can't comprehend the value and is upset it is not edible.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSeeking what, exactly, the escapist nonsense you like to consider to be true?
From our perspective, it's the militant atheist who's dealing in escapist nonsense.
Ah, apologists Gary Habermas and Michael Licona strike again with their “proof” of the resurrection.
See Prof. Bart Ehrman: 2009 Debate With Mike Licona: Can Historians Prove the Resurrection of Jesus?
https://ehrmanblog.org/video-ehrman-...a-2009-debate/
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“Even the Catholic Church—home to one billion of the world’s two billion Christians—states in its Catechism: “Although the Resurrection was an historical event that could be verified by the sign of the empty tomb and by the reality of the apostles’ encounters with the risen Christ, still it remains at the very heart of the mystery of faith as something that transcends and surpasses history.”
https://michaelshermer.com/2017/04/h...-resurrection/
The standard CP argument, it seems, when incapable of addressing the topic under discussion. Sad.
You're much better at rational conversation when you don't have skin in the game. When your conclusions are assumed as fact and set in adamantine, like they are here, interacting with you gets tiresome fast.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostFrom our perspective, it's the militant atheist who's dealing in escapist nonsense.
You appear to be suffering from the delusion that this is a win for Dr. Ehrman. He should stick to fields in which he's actually qualified.
Dr Bart Ehrman is a “New Testament scholar focusing on textual criticism of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, the origins and development of early Christianity. He has written and edited 30 books, including three college textbooks. He has also authored six New York Times bestsellers. He is currently the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill”. Wiki.
I think we can reasonably say he’s well qualified in the area. More so than an indoctrinated fundamentalist product of Liberty “University” such as Licona.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou wouldn't have to be if you knew Jesus.Last edited by Tassman; 09-28-2019, 12:03 AM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOf course, he won.
Dr Bart Ehrman is a “New Testament scholar focusing on textual criticism of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, the origins and development of early Christianity. He has written and edited 30 books, including three college textbooks. He has also authored six New York Times bestsellers. He is currently the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill”. Wiki.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostYou heard it here first folks, the way to judge the winner of a debate is by looking at who's got the longer and more impressive CV.Last edited by Tassman; 09-28-2019, 04:33 AM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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