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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIs this a sign that the world is about to end?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by OingoBoingo View PostAha! You're really Simcha Jacobovici, aren't you!? I knew the Jesus' siblings thing smelled fishy. :Dβλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostStonehenge was just a practical joke by the Galvans.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThe serious question is that now that we (apparently) all agree that the lights in the night sky are not “for signs” can we also agree to put the creation account, once and for all, in the box labelled ‘Myth’?
In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
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Originally posted by Pytharchimedes View Post[John] also includes a reasoning for the state of sin humanity is in, as opposed to the doctrine of Original sin: "And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil."
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostFalse prophecy is a bad thing. But it's an opportunity to get people going in the right direction so THEIR salvation can be secured.
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Originally posted by RBerman View PostCould be. It could also be an opportunity to sour people on the idea of prophecy altogether, which is not a good thing.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI think that ship has long sailed. I doubt many modern churches even touch the subject of prophecy at all. The few that do are likely dubbed "fundamentalist" churches. Most prophecy touted as prophecy in the bible is dismissed as already occurring some time in the ancient past.
That prophecy is on the wane is a good state of affairs. Too many failed prophecies have been issued, disheartening many.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI think that ship has long sailed. I doubt many modern churches even touch the subject of prophecy at all. The few that do are likely dubbed "fundamentalist" churches. Most prophecy touted as prophecy in the bible is dismissed as already occurring some time in the ancient past.
After my speech, the professor graded me A+ on presentation, A+ on delivery, A+ on audience engagement, and D- on preparation. Afterward, I asked for an explanation and he told me to go back and check the "secular sources" in the bibliography.
I did as he instructed and discovered that all of McDowell's historic sources were published in the late 19th century - they quoted directly from the Bible!! My professor, who had significant portions of the Bible committed to memory knew as soon as I spoke the words that the source was circular.
He counseled me later that if I wished to pursue a career in ministry, I would be wise to avoid prophecy. "It's easy," he said, "to prophecy events that you know already happened."
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostI once embarrassed myself badly by using prophecy in a speech based on Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict. It was for a college course on Public Speaking. Unbeknownst to me, the professor was an ordained minister in the Salvation Army. I quoted from McDowell's book about a prophecy concerning Tyre. I thought it was quite convincing. I used McDowell's "quotes" from "secular sources" proving the veracity of the prophecy.
After my speech, the professor graded me A+ on presentation, A+ on delivery, A+ on audience engagement, and D- on preparation. Afterward, I asked for an explanation and he told me to go back and check the "secular sources" in the bibliography.
I did as he instructed and discovered that all of McDowell's historic sources were published in the late 19th century - they quoted directly from the Bible!! My professor, who had significant portions of the Bible committed to memory knew as soon as I spoke the words that the source was circular.
He counseled me later that if I wished to pursue a career in ministry, I would be wise to avoid prophecy. "It's easy," he said, "to prophecy events that you know already happened."
NORM
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