The Revelation of Jesus Christ

[foudroyant]

My argument is based on the evidence.
If you have some other better way for determining the veracity of determining the reliability of events written from ancient history then please share it/them.

[Doug Shaver]

My argument is based on the evidence.

If you are justified in saying it without proof, I am justified in denying it without proof.

If you have some other better way for determining the veracity of determining the reliability of events written from ancient history then please share it/them.

I don't have an algorithm as simple as yours. But I can propose a test that will compare our methods, and everyone reading this thread can reach their own conclusions about whose method works better. Are you interested?

[shunyadragon]

Why the anti-supernaturalistic bias?

Objective academic history, like science, naturally will not support the supernatural nor miraculous events in ancient literature as well as recent claims, because of their anecdotal nature and not supported by corroborating objective evidence.

[shunyadragon]

My argument is based on the evidence.

Actually no, it is based on the religious belief in the anecdotal claims of ancient scripture as with other ancient religions.

If you have some other better way for determining the veracity of determining the reliability of events written from ancient history then please share it/them.

Easy, they are corroborated by archeological evidence and multiple independent literature sources together. There are absolutely no independent literature sources at the time that the gospels can be referenced to that reference even the existence of Jesus Christ during his life, nor the miraculous events supposed witnessed by many.

[shunyadragon]

I suspect that you are just going to deny all the evidence presented concerning what the New Testament has to say concerning the resurrection of Christ.

At this point I neither accept nor deny the 'truth' of religious claims such as the 'Resurrection of Christ.' It is a religious belief based on faith that the claims of the NT are true, just like the many claims of different religions. Like ALL claims of the miraculous and supernatural the voracity of the truth cannot be objectively corroborated independently.

[robrecht]

... voracity of the truth ...

Is that like an all consuming truth?

[robertb]

Is that like an all consuming truth?

[Doug Shaver]

Why the anti-supernaturalistic bias?

My method does not presuppose the nonoccurrence of supernatural events.

[foudroyant]

If you are justified in saying it without proof, I am justified in denying it without proof.

Have you read Simon Greenleaf's 'An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice'?

[NormATive]

Have you read Simon Greenleaf's 'An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice'?

Oh no! Not another Evidence That Demands More Evidence book!

NORM

[foudroyant]

You betchya!

[Doug Shaver]

Have you read Simon Greenleaf's 'An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice'?

Yes. I read it three years ago and responded with an essay on my website: http://dougshaver.net/christ/greenleaf.pdf.

I issued you a challenge. Do you accept it?

[foudroyant]

What challenge?

[Doug Shaver]

What challenge?

Read post #32 again.

[foudroyant]

OK