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Adam and Eve were Homo Erectus?

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  • whag
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Adam was created before the Earth had experienced rain. That should provide food for thought.
    Food for thought germinates an interesting and credible idea. This is the opposite of that. You do yourself no favors by not, at least, preempting the response given what we know of the history of precipitation on earth.

    Your pet theology isn't as fascinating as you think it is.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    It isn't a position that I hold so you're asking the wrong person.
    The position that you hold is evolution is it not? That's the question I asked you. How could the first humans be the 2 million year ago Homo Erectus (Adam and Eve) and the biblical narrative fit together when you consider the line of ancestry from Adam to Jesus.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    It is derived from the information made available in the Bible. No doubt others have connected the dots in the same way that I have.
    Oh I see, you made it up. It isn't the teaching of the church though, right. I mean God is said to have created the earth and sky and only then, after its creation did he create a garden and Adam who he created from the dust of that earth. So where does that "dot" fit in your connection of dots?

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post

    And yet the Garden was filled with fruit bearing trees. Errors in the timeliness of creation were obviously made such as the creating of the light which was separated from the darkness before the sun and stars were created. But I have never heard the idea that the Garden of Eden was not on earth as you have proposed. Is that the Christian teaching? Or did you come up with that on your own?
    It is derived from the information made available in the Bible. No doubt others have connected the dots in the same way that I have.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post

    And I answered that, said it was interesting and followed that up in post #9 with other questions. Rather than answering that you gave me the same answer you gave to me in the previous post.
    It isn't a position that I hold so you're asking the wrong person.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Your OP asked what Christians think about this. I provided you with the only Christian I had heard of who ever advocated something like that.
    And I answered that, said it was interesting and followed that up in post #9 with other questions. Rather than answering that you gave me the same answer you gave to me in the previous post.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post

    That's not what I asked you but obviously you are avoiding to answer.
    Your OP asked what Christians think about this. I provided you with the only Christian I had heard of who ever advocated something like that.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Glenn was a Christian. He's the only one I'm familiar with who ever advocated for what you are basically talking about here.
    That's not what I asked you but obviously you are avoiding to answer.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Adam was created before the Earth had experienced rain. That should provide food for thought.
    And yet the Garden was filled with fruit bearing trees. Errors in the timeliness of creation were obviously made such as the creating of the light which was separated from the darkness before the sun and stars were created. But I have never heard the idea that the Garden of Eden was not on earth as you have proposed. Is that the Christian teaching? Or did you come up with that on your own?

    Last edited by JimL; 08-14-2023, 09:24 AM.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post

    Well that's interesting but the question I'm interested in is what is the Christian teaching on the subject? Was the Garden of Eden story meant to be taken literally. And do they see Adam and Eve as Homo Erectus humans created over 2 million years ago in a garden in S.Africa?
    I don't think so, because the ancestral line from Adam to Jesus is only a few thousand generations. I think you mentioned you believe in evolution so how do you square that with this particular biblical account?
    Glenn was a Christian. He's the only one I'm familiar with who ever advocated for what you are basically talking about here.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post

    Well that's interesting but the question I'm interested in is what is the Christian teaching on the subject? Was the Garden of Eden story meant to be taken literally. And do they see Adam and Eve as Homo Erectus humans created over 2 million years ago in a garden in S.Africa?
    I don't think so, because the ancestral line from Adam to Jesus is only a few thousand generations. I think you mentioned you believe in evolution so how do you square that with this particular biblical account?
    Adam was created before the Earth had experienced rain. That should provide food for thought.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Actually he places it in the Mediterranean basin that had dried up during the Messinian salinity crisis and ended by the Zanclean deluge when the Atlantic Ocean poured in to refill it.
    Well that's interesting but the question I'm interested in is what is the Christian teaching on the subject? Was the Garden of Eden story meant to be taken literally. And do they see Adam and Eve as Homo Erectus humans created over 2 million years ago in a garden in S.Africa?
    I don't think so, because the ancestral line from Adam to Jesus is only a few thousand generations. I think you mentioned you believe in evolution so how do you square that with this particular biblical account?

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post


    Well If that's as far back as humans go (I really don't know) then it only makes sense that Adam and Eve were Homo Erectus and the Garden of Eden would have to have been somewhere in S. Africa according to Christianity being that Adam was the first human.

    But what does Christianity or Judaism say about that. I always assumed that Adam and Eve, according to Christianity, was intended to be taken literally. I mean doesn't the line of ancestry go from Adam to Jesus in just so many thousand of years? That doesn't square if Adam was Homo Erectus 2 million years ago.
    Actually he places it in the Mediterranean basin that had dried up during the Messinian salinity crisis and ended by the Zanclean deluge when the Atlantic Ocean poured in to refill it.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    The late Glenn Morton who used to post here strongly believed that Adam and Eve lived more than 5 million years ago.

    Well If that's as far back as humans go (I really don't know) then it only makes sense that Adam and Eve were Homo Erectus and the Garden of Eden would have to have been somewhere in S. Africa according to Christianity being that Adam was the first human.

    But what does Christianity or Judaism say about that. I always assumed that Adam and Eve, according to Christianity, was intended to be taken literally. I mean doesn't the line of ancestry go from Adam to Jesus in just so many thousand of years? That doesn't square if Adam was Homo Erectus 2 million years ago.
    Last edited by JimL; 08-13-2023, 11:15 PM.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post
    I wonder how Christians, those who also believe in evolution, think about this. The first human species, as far as we know thus far I believe is Homo erectus which lived some 2 million years ago in S. Africa. So I wonder how Christian evolutionists think about that. There were many other species of humans that lived in different parts of Africa as well as Neanderthals who I believe emerged later in Europe, but I believe Homo Erectus is the first human species known of.
    So, do Christian evolutionists believe that Adam and Eve were Homo Erectus and was the Garden of Eden actually in S. Africa?
    I wonder also what Christians think about all of these other species of humans. Do they even consider them to be human. Homo Sapiens (thats us) for instance all have Neanderthal DNA so they were obviously human.
    So where do Christians who also believe in evolution as well as Christians who don't, fit Adam and Eve into that picture?
    The late Glenn Morton who used to post here strongly believed that Adam and Eve lived more than 5 million years ago.

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