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Were Jesus and the Baptist 'left wing' or 'right wing' ?

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  • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

    If a person puts their trust or confidence in riches, they're not putting their trust or confidence in God. The "eye of a needle" refers to the narrowness of the gates of the city walls. It would be easier for camel being used as a pack animal to be unloaded to fit into the gates than a greedy person or person who put their confidence in riches to go to heaven because they wouldn't divest themselves of their riches to put their trust in God.

    To quote yourself:
    Another delightful interpretation! Look, Jesus was certainly against unreasonable wealth, and all around he could see unreasonable poverty.
    And so how some folks than figure out that he meant something else is truly amazing.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      Sometimes. Other times, he was speaking to individuals alone, or individuals with others standing around.

      Yeah, not impossible - but difficult. No doubt, because of the pride and arrogance that goes with being rich. Not every rich person, however, is infected by that.

      Again, not impossible, but difficult.
      So...... wow! Jesus didn't really mean what he said?

      And you can pretend He said something He did not say.
      So can you..........

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        Nope - I just have a higher regard for CONTEXT than you do, apparently.
        Hmmmm..... I think you have a higher regard for CONTORTION, actually.

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

          Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. I believe you are suffering from a bad case of it.
          Back at you.......... if you're that wise about Jesus then you'd be able to change our minds, I guess, but all that I can see is prejudice coming from you. And some very strange ideas.

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          • Originally posted by eider View Post

            Another delightful interpretation! Look, Jesus was certainly against unreasonable wealth, and all around he could see unreasonable poverty.
            And so how some folks than figure out that he meant something else is truly amazing.
            The passage has been explained to you and you have yet to support any contrary interpretation. You read into the passage as it suits your agenda not that you actually care about the words of Jesus beyond how you can manipulate them.

            I see no reason to continue.
            P1) If , then I win.

            P2)

            C) I win.

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            • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

              The passage has been explained to you and you have yet to support any contrary interpretation. You read into the passage as it suits your agenda not that you actually care about the words of Jesus beyond how you can manipulate them.

              I see no reason to continue.
              A case can be made that Jesus' desired that no-one be in want. No case can be made that he desired rich people to be stripped of their wealth.
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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              • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

                The passage has been explained to you and you have yet to support any contrary interpretation. You read into the passage as it suits your agenda not that you actually care about the words of Jesus beyond how you can manipulate them.

                I see no reason to continue.
                Eider is a master of eisegesis

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • Originally posted by eider View Post

                  Hmmmm..... I think you have a higher regard for CONTORTION, actually.
                  Yes, somebody unfamiliar with CONTEXT might think that.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                    A case can be made that Jesus' desired that no-one be in want. No case can be made that he desired rich people to be stripped of their wealth.
                    This is true - and all attempts to justify communism (or socialism) by the acts of the Apostles and the Church giving away things to help the poor are nutty, as those actions were entirely voluntary.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by eider View Post

                      Back at you.......... if you're that wise about Jesus then you'd be able to change our minds, I guess, but all that I can see is prejudice coming from you. And some very strange ideas.
                      When you say "change our minds", are you talking about the voices in your head?
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        This is true - and all attempts to justify communism (or socialism) by the acts of the Apostles and the Church giving away things to help the poor are nutty, as those actions were entirely voluntary.
                        Charity is not Socialism

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          EGGzackly!



                          I don't know about that - if there is somebody extremely wealthy who is quite generous with their money (we had such a man in our church) it appears to be a good sign of God at work.
                          This guy would frequently tell me "the more I give away, the more God blesses me".
                          I'm not talking about people like that, especially who put their money to work like that. I'm thinking more like Scrooge McDuck situations here - especially with his attitude of hoarding.
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                            I'm not talking about people like that, especially who put their money to work like that. I'm thinking more like Scrooge McDuck situations here - especially with his attitude of hoarding.
                            Absolutely! Which goes to my oft cited premise that Jesus was all about INTENT or motive, not just "the rules". The Old Testament appears to attempt to deal with man from the outside (laws, commandments, rules, procedures, acts, offerings, sacrifices) while the New Testament deals with man "at the heart".
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by eider View Post

                              Back at you.......... if you're that wise about Jesus then you'd be able to change our minds, I guess, but all that I can see is prejudice coming from you. And some very strange ideas.
                              I think only the Holy Spirit could change your mind, eider. I pray that happens for you one day soon.

                              The only strange ideas in this thread seems to come from your idea that there was a political left or right in Jesus' time or that Jesus was one or the other. Jesus didn't fit into anyone's mold back then or now.

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                              • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                                I'm not talking about people like that, especially who put their money to work like that. I'm thinking more like Scrooge McDuck situations here - especially with his attitude of hoarding.
                                Yes, Jesus was against greed for sure. I think he viewed the rich as being blessed and they should share their wealth voluntarily to help the poor - but being rich could also be a curse if the person is greedy, to the point that his wealth will keep him from doing good or seeking God.

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