Were Jesus and the Baptist 'left wing' or 'right wing' ?

[eider]

EGGzackly!

This is how you replied to King's Gambit mention about the Baptist, who in fact was massively political........ look at what he did, but if you have trouble in seeing this I can help you. ok?

I don't know about that - if there is somebody extremely wealthy who is quite generous with their money (we had such a man in our church) it appears to be a good sign of God at work.
This guy would frequently tell me "the more I give away, the more God blesses me".

And the above was your reply to KG's:- On a side note, I'd agree with Craig Blomberg that even today, extremes of wealth and poverty are both unacceptable.

..... you don't know about that? I have already shown what Jesus thought about that.

[tabibito]

If doctrine was based on what is in the gospels then the position of the subordinationists had a stronger argument.

Definitely - not that subordination prevents Logos (memra/dabar) and the Holy Spirit (shekinah) from being God.

That was a much later theological development. Read up on Basil's contribution to that debate.

Logos and Shekinah being God was a much later development that just happens to be included in Paul's writings, the letter to the Hebrews, gospel of John, a few Old Testament records (also THE angel of the Lord - but whether the angel is Logos or Shekinah is unclear), and perhaps the apocrypha and the synoptic gospels.

[eider]

Definitely - not that subordination prevents Logos (memra/dabar) and the Holy Spirit (shekinah) from being God.


Logos and Shekinah being God was a much later development that just happens to be included in Paul's writings, the letter to the Hebrews, gospel of John, a few Old Testament records (also THE angel of the Lord - but whether the angel is Logos or Shekinah is unclear), and perhaps the apocrypha and the synoptic gospels.

Yes, but this thread is about what Jesus and/or the Baptist said and did.

[tabibito]

Yes, but this thread is about what Jesus and/or the Baptist said and did.

Jesus did make comments about his identity, which make his identity relevant. He said, for example, that he had come down from heaven.

[eider]

Jesus did make comments about his identity, which make his identity relevant. He said, for example, that he had come down from heaven.

What did he say?

[Diogenes]

QUESTION:-
Tell me, do you think that 'Stop Oil' folks ransacking a filling station is a political gesture?

Yes because they want to affect a country's law and policies.

Do you think Jesus picketing the Temple Courts so that nobody could pass was a political gesture?

No because Jesus was not attempting to affect a country's law and policies. Jesus was concerned about the moneychangers defiling the Temple, his concern was spiritual.

This isn't about your political parties' titles...this is about whether Jesus was left-wing or right-wing, progressive or regressive. Does this help you at all? :-

"Left wing", "right wing", "progressive", and "regressive" are political labels. Jesus was apolitical.

Matthew {9:13} But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

..............progressive or regressive?

Perhaps you should read the preceeding verses.

¹⁰ Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. ¹¹ And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

¹² When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

You have a very bad habit of quote-mining.

.......... but you didn't take any notice of that....is that what you're saying?
You want to keep your money?
Now what did Jesus say about it?

Seeing as you're not even a Christian, why should you even care what Jesus said? Do you believe Jesus' words to be authoritative? If so, have you sold all your possessions seeing as you seem to think that's what Jesus commanded? You seem uninterested in what Jesus said but rather interested in how you can twist Scripture.

[Sparko]

I think that Jesus was definitely set against excessive wealth and unreasonable poverty.

This thread seeks to show what he said and did.

But to start off:-

Matthew {19:24} And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Please make mention of What Jesus or the Baptist said and did........ only.

Your question just shows how ignorant you are of Jesus and the bible.

Jesus was apolitical. What we call "left" or "right" didn't even exist in Jesus' time. Governments were not socialist or capitalist, they were monarchies and dictatorships for the most part. Greeks experimented with primitive democracy and Romans with a republic but even Rome had an authoritarian Emperor. Trying to shoehorn modern politics and economic systems into the ancient near east is just chrono-anachronistic.

[Cow Poke]

This is how you replied to King's Gambit mention about the Baptist, who in fact was massively political........ look at what he did, but if you have trouble in seeing this I can help you. ok?


And the above was your reply to KG's:- On a side note, I'd agree with Craig Blomberg that even today, extremes of wealth and poverty are both unacceptable.

..... you don't know about that? I have already shown what Jesus thought about that.

What you have "shown" was Jesus speaking to a particular man about his own condition, and taken out of context.

[Cow Poke]

Ha ha! ..... and he owned his sandals, so Christianity with rich wealth is ok...!

Read what Jesus said:-
Mark {4:19} And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

Mark {10:23} And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Mark {10:24} And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! {10:25} It is
easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Verses of scripture taken out of context to support your own claim. How very clever.

[rogue06]

But you cannot think of anything that the Baptist said or did?
Mr Trump is a Christian.......... he could tell you.

I've more than made it clear I'm not concerned what "the Baptist" had to say outside of his recognition of Jesus.

[rogue06]

Verses of scripture taken out of context to support your own claim. How very clever.

And soooo very original

[Cow Poke]

And soooo very original

My favorite is the guy who took verses out of context to show that you should commit suicide - and do it quickly.

[rogue06]

My favorite is the guy who took verses out of context to show that you should commit suicide - and do it quickly.

A beautiful example of quote mining. Tacking the end of Matthew 27:5 on to the end of Luke 10:37.

he departed, and he went and hanged himself ... And Jesus said unto him, "You go, and do likewise."

[Cow Poke]

A beautiful example of quote mining. Tacking the end of Matthew 27:5 on to the end of Luke 10:37.

he departed, and he went and hanged himself ... And Jesus said unto him, "You go, and do likewise."

EGGzackly....

Matt 27:5 --- and Judas went away and hanged himself
Luke 10:37 -- go thou and do likewise
John 13:27 -- what you are about to do, do quickly

[eider]

Yes because they want to affect a country's law and policies.


No because Jesus was not attempting to affect a country's law and policies. Jesus was concerned about the moneychangers defiling the Temple, his concern was spiritual.

How daft............. Jesus's concern was political! People were getting ripped off!