Were Jesus and the Baptist 'left wing' or 'right wing' ?

[eider]

Coming from the clown who directly asked me

You tried to link Hitler's politics in to this thread..... I guess I should have simply ignored you. But I was refuting what you said, abosolutely.

Thus:-

Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
If that's what makes him leftwing then remember that Hitler and his gang were not exactly enamored by the established religion and tried to establish their own.

Eider:- Oh yeah? What religion was Hitler trying to found?

[eider]

The primary concern was spiritual success and being separated from the world as God's chosen people, something you quoted but seem to wish to ignore.

No........ the primary concern was success for the whole people. Just read them
And the only reference to 'spirits' in Leviticus is about keeping clear of them.

No where have you supported they were free to roam. Business giving away unsold food or farmers donating food that's commercially less viable is great. This is all charity, not forced by the government.

Of course the laws supported freedom to roam...... how do you think that the people could go gleaning? And this thread is about Jesus and the Baptist and their leanings, so maybe we could discuss them?

You have yet to support Jesus wanted a reestablishment of the Mosaic system. You've only shown your twisting of Scripture.

Would you like to redirect your posts to Jesus and the Baptist? That would be great.

Gleaning from fields is illegal and I cited the court case, I spoke nothing of trespass. Businesses engaging in charity is not the same as gleaning.

Excellent.....now can we talk about gleaning in the OT Laws, those or about Jesus and the Baptist?

[eider]

Charity: I feel led to donate toward the needs of a neighbor, so I shall....
Socialism: I am going to force you to give what you earned to somebody who may or may not be in actual need.

There it is! So the Laws of Moses were more about socialism than your charity. See for yourself:-
Leviticus {15:11} For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
Leviticus {19:9} And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
Leviticus {19:10} And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather [every] grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I [am] the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy {15:1} At the end of [every] seven years thou shalt make a release. {15:2} And this [is] the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth [ought] unto his neighbour shall release [it;] he shall not exact [it] of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the LORD’S release.
Deut {15:7} If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: {15:8} But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, [in that] which he wanteth.

By command...........
Giving charitably is good, sopme for recognition, some for feel-good-factor and some simply for giving...... all good. But the Laws of Moses were commandments. Can you see the difference?

[eider]

Yeah, this is why God forbid intermarriage with other nations - them thar "other people" ..

Still clinging to the bits that you like, I see?
Let's have a look at them.

[BOX]Exodus 34:16 and you might take some of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters might play the harlot with their gods and cause your sons also to play the harlot with their gods.

Deuteronomy 7:3 Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons.

1 Kings 11:2 from the nations concerning which the Lord had said to the sons of Israel, “You shall not associate with them, nor shall they associate with you, for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods.” Solomon held fast to these in love.

Ezra 9:12 So now do not give your daughters to their sons nor take their daughters to your sons, and never seek their peace or their prosperity, that you may be strong and eat the good things of the land and leave it as an inheritance to your sons forever.’

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Oh..... these will do! Every one is a commandment to ensure that sick, unhealthy or diseased people can not spread infections in to the Israelites.
Again! Every single law was written for the safety, security, cohesion and success of the Israelites.... but don't forget that outsiders could seek inclusion, but only under guidelines.

[rogue06]

You tried to link Hitler's politics in to this thread..... I guess I should have simply ignored you. But I was refuting what you said, abosolutely.

Thus:-

Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
If that's what makes him leftwing then remember that Hitler and his gang were not exactly enamored by the established religion and tried to establish their own.

Eider:- Oh yeah? What religion was Hitler trying to found?

Never ask a question to which you don't want an answer.

And how did that question refute anything?

[rogue06]

Still clinging to the bits that you like, I see?
Let's have a look at them.


Oh..... these will do! Every one is a commandment to ensure that sick, unhealthy or diseased people can not spread infections in to the Israelites.

As you said before, what you post are nothing more than your opinions. And sometimes only God knows where you come up with them.

It was an attempt to keep foreign influences and ideas out -- particularly religious ones.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

As I suspected this thread has descended into bickering about whose interpretation of a particular text in Mark is the correct interpretation.

It is also amusing to read that at least one contributor dismisses eider's opinions. What does that commentator think he is offering?

[Cow Poke]

Still clinging to the bits that you like, I see?

Interesting that, from the multiple examples I gave, you only select "the bits you like".

Let's have a look at them.

With your eyes closed, no doubt.

Oh..... these will do! Every one is a commandment to ensure that sick, unhealthy or diseased people can not spread infections in to the Israelites.

No, He was protecting His people from the idolatry and perversion of others. It actually says that.

Again! Every single law was written for the safety, security, cohesion and success of the Israelites.... but don't forget that outsiders could seek inclusion, but only under guidelines.

Yes, God often makes exceptions, but the main purpose was to keep Israel free from the pagan practices of outsiders.

Eider, I'm seriously wondering if you're even attempting to argue in good faith -- so many of your arguments of late don't even seem sincere - more argumentative than discussive. (I think I made up that word)

[Diogenes]

No........ the primary concern was success for the whole people. Just read them

Perhaps you are forgetting where this conversation has been on other threads:

No it wasn't! God tells the Israelites EXACTLY why he imposed those laws.
Other nations failed because they did not keep to such laws.

LEVITCUS {20:22} Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. {20:23} And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. {20:24} But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I [am] the LORD your God, which have separated you from [other] people.

Perhaps you should read what you quote:

Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I [am] the LORD your God, which have separated you from [other] people.

Of course the laws supported freedom to roam...... how do you think that the people could go gleaning?

Gleaning was not "freedom to roam". It was the allowance of people on the field for a specific reason, not general "freedom to roam".

And this thread is about Jesus and the Baptist and their leanings, so maybe we could discuss them?

I have covered the passage about the young rich man and you have to chosen to remain unmoved.

Would you like to redirect your posts to Jesus and the Baptist? That would be great.

You introduced the OT, not me. Again, I've covered the passage you cited in the OP and you have refused to change your biased interpretation.

[Mountain Man]

I think that Jesus was definitely set against excessive wealth and unreasonable poverty.

This thread seeks to show what he said and did.

But to start off:-

Matthew {19:24} And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Please make mention of What Jesus or the Baptist said and did........ only.

I think it's stupid and shortsighted to try and shoehorn Jesus into any one political ideology. He wasn't concerned with politics. His primary message was, "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."

[Cow Poke]

I think it's stupid and shortsighted to try and shoehorn Jesus into any one political ideology. He wasn't concerned with politics. His primary message was, "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."

Yeah, He made that very clear when Pilate was questioning Him about being a King --- My Kingdom is not of this world...

[rogue06]

Eider, I'm seriously wondering if you're even attempting to argue in good faith -- so many of your arguments of late don't even seem sincere - more argumentative than discussive. (I think I made up that word)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discussive

[Cow Poke]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discussive

Ah, just not in Tweb's "dictionary".

Thanks, brudder who can be a real clown and employ schoolyard tactics but still contribute intelligently to discussions!

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yeah, He made that very clear when Pilate was questioning Him about being a King --- My Kingdom is not of this world...

That verse only occurs in John's gospel.

[Cow Poke]

That verse only occurs in John's gospel.

There's more where that came from!

Scripture Verse: Luke 17:20-21 ESV

Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

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And I got bunches more.