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Do Christian infants get to Heaven? Do all infants get to Heaven?
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Yet the works were laid on the foundation of Christ, some of gold or precious stone, some of wood or hay. Even if the idea that the works of wood or hay are in fact works of disobedience was a reasonable inference, the fact remains that sound doctrine is not built on what might be inferred. What is to become of people who falsely claim to follow Christ is made plain: they are workers of unrighteousness to whom it will be said, "away from me."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
There is no conflict between Jesus and Paul
I'm not inferring anything. It's clear from the text that the person who did temporal works that were consumed in the fire of judgment was not obedient. His works, whatever they were, were of no lasting spiritual value. He is still saved, but only as a man escaping through the flames. You may not like it, but that's what the Bible says.
Neither one of us can demonstrate which opinion is correct.Last edited by tabibito; 05-23-2023, 08:26 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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I once heard a good teaching by Dr Ed Young Senior and he said understanding grace faith and works is all about prepositions; We are saved by grace, through faith unto good works.
As for Eider's question the Bible says that the judge of the universe will judge fairly. Do you know whether you will go to heaven when you die Eider? Not being funny this is the big question of life we all should be asking ourselves.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
If that is correct, then humans could not be coerced in to any kind of submission within any system.
The promise of eternal joy to those who would believe and obey, as contrasted with the threat of eternal agony for those who didn't....... clearly this was all about acceptance and obedience.
I don't think so.......... just look at what happened to those who misbehaved in past eras..... definitely 'heaven' was for those who believed and obeyed, ghastly ends for those who threatened the status quo.
And you are most fortunate to be free of such shackles!
P1) If , then I win.
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C) I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
Presumably, if you trust in Jesus, you would obey the teachings of Jesus and Christianity. The salvation is predicated on the acceptance, the obedience is a byproduct.
Professing Christians acting in ways contrary to the teachings of Christianity who are more concerned with the temporal politics of religion is another subject entirely. I would certainly challenge you to find biblical justification for their actions.
I do not profess to be a Christian at the moment.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
The basis for many of Jesus' parables are easily traceable to historic events or familiar events in general society, but this particular parable does seem to have been made up whole cloth.
The wedding clothes represent holiness. The person who was ejected represents people who accept the invitation to be saved but refuse clean up their acts. It would be a rare preacher who would be game enough to base a sermon on that part of the parable.
THuis is the antithesis of who and what Jesus was.
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Originally posted by Esther View PostI once heard a good teaching by Dr Ed Young Senior and he said understanding grace faith and works is all about prepositions; We are saved by grace, through faith unto good works.
As for Eider's question the Bible says that the judge of the universe will judge fairly. Do you know whether you will go to heaven when you die Eider? Not being funny this is the big question of life we all should be asking ourselves.
My suggestion is that people stop worrying about death and lived this life, every breath, every day.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
Presumably, if you trust in Jesus, you would obey the teachings of Jesus and Christianity. The salvation is predicated on the acceptance, the obedience is a byproduct.
Professing Christians acting in ways contrary to the teachings of Christianity who are more concerned with the temporal politics of religion is another subject entirely. I would certainly challenge you to find biblical justification for their actions.
I do not profess to be a Christian at the moment.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
The whole story as told is just delightful.......... a king so unpopular that he needed to send his staff out to bring guests in, and then abusing one because he dressed in everyday clothes...?
THuis is the antithesis of who and what Jesus was.
Originally posted by eider View Post
I don't speak for Christians, but I know a bit about Jesus.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by eider View Post
But you don't know what to believe about Christianity...correct?
And so I would need to read such a claim written by the many Christian churches out there, and denominations.
Your opinions can't speak for Christianity, can they?
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Hello Esther......... I was dead for countless billions of ages and it was alright. I shall be dead again and it will be alright.
My suggestion is that people stop worrying about death and lived this life, every breath, every day.
You have a physical body and an inner man that cannot be seen.
When your outer man, your body, your earthly tent dies, your inner man does not. It is not made of dust, This inner man is actually the real "you".
The Bible says that God has placed eternity in the hearts of men. This means there is something in you which yearns for something more than just this physical world and what it offers even at its best.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
But you don't know what to believe about Christianity...correct?
And so I would need to read such a claim written by the many Christian churches out there, and denominations.
Your opinions can't speak for Christianity, can they?
P1) If , then I win.
P2)
C) I win.
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