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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
It's kinda like watching a movie, and about 15 minutes in, you think "wow, this is going nowhere slowly!", and change the channel.
And literally hundreds of other verses.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
He seems to think "the way" has some special meaning every time it appears in scripture, but then you have verses like the following which renders his hypothesis nonsensical:
And literally hundreds of other verses.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by eider View PostOK. So change the channel.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
He seems to think "the way" has some special meaning every time it appears in scripture, but then you have verses like the following which renders his hypothesis nonsensical:
And literally hundreds of other verses.
The verses which I selected show that the way in these refers to law.
So much for your ideas about context.
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Originally posted by eider View PostPRESENTATION PART FOUR.....
A review of 'G-Matthew' seems to show mentions of 'the way' or the Baptist who brought 'the way' from the prophets. Here they are as spoken by the priesthood, Jesus and the Baptist, all....
Matthew {7:14} Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. {7:15} Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing,
Matthew {21:32} For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen [it,] repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
Matthew 22:16} And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any [man:] for thou regardest not the person of men. {22:17} Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
The priests acknowledged that Jesus spoke of 'the way' before offering their question about the law.
I will review G-Mark next.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
OK. So change the channel.
Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by eider View Post
OK. So change the channel.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by eider View Post
So much for your abilities with comprehension I mentioned that roads and such will slow me down a great deal.
The verses which I selected show that the way in these refers to law.
So much for your ideas about context.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostHe can't help but watch, like watching a train wreck.
A TV "evangelist" was on (don't remember his name, he used to sit in a recliner smoking a cigar while "preaching") and he had just said "Peter was a jerk".
I turned the channel to find something else, but was really curious about his statement, so I switched back to see what he said.
Again, no foolin', he looked right into the camera, and said "some of you switched to another channel, but couldn't help yourselves, and you came back".
I turned off the TV and went back to bed.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
No foolin' -- one night, I woke up about 3 AM, and went out into the living room to watch some TV.
A TV "evangelist" was on (don't remember his name, he used to sit in a recliner smoking a cigar while "preaching") and he had just said "Peter was a jerk".
I turned the channel to find something else, but was really curious about his statement, so I switched back to see what he said.
Again, no foolin', he looked right into the camera, and said "some of you switched to another channel, but couldn't help yourselves, and you came back".
I turned off the TV and went back to bed.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
No foolin' -- one night, I woke up about 3 AM, and went out into the living room to watch some TV.
A TV "evangelist" was on (don't remember his name, he used to sit in a recliner smoking a cigar while "preaching") and he had just said "Peter was a jerk".
I turned the channel to find something else, but was really curious about his statement, so I switched back to see what he said.
Again, no foolin', he looked right into the camera, and said "some of you switched to another channel, but couldn't help yourselves, and you came back".
I turned off the TV and went back to bed.Attached FilesThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by eider View PostThe verses which I selected show that the way in these refers to law.
Jesus saying that "the way that leads to life is narrow" has nothing to do with the law but is a metaphor pointing to the fact that there is only one path to salvation, which is through Jesus, a point reiterated elsewhere when he said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life," which, again, is not a reference to the Law of Moses. Again, you would know this if you paid attention to the context.
I see you noted Matthew 5 where Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law, which he did through his death and resurrection, and so we are no longer under the Old Covenant and the Law.
Indeed, the prophet Jeremiah said that a New Covenant was coming:
Jesus is the literal fulfillment of that promise.
You see, when we refer to Biblical context, we're not just talking about the immediately surrounding text but the entirety of scripture itself.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
No they don't. For instance, John the Baptist preparing the way for the Lord has nothing to do with the Law of Moses but, rather, refers to John preparing people's hearts and minds for the arrival of the Messiah, which you would know if you paid attention to the context.
Jesus saying that "the way that leads to life is narrow" has nothing to do with the law but is a metaphor pointing to the fact that there is only one path to salvation, which is through Jesus, a point reiterated elsewhere when he said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life," which, again, is not a reference to the Law of Moses. Again, you would know this if you paid attention to the context.
I see you noted Matthew 5 where Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law, which he did through his death and resurrection, and so we are no longer under the Old Covenant and the Law.
Indeed, the prophet Jeremiah said that a New Covenant was coming:
Jesus is the literal fulfillment of that promise.
You see, when we refer to Biblical context, we're not just talking about the immediately surrounding text but the entirety of scripture itself.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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