Did Christianity lose its way?

[Cow Poke]

I told that this presentation is lengthy, so let's see how this pans out.

It's kinda like watching a movie, and about 15 minutes in, you think "wow, this is going nowhere slowly!", and change the channel.

[Mountain Man]

It's kinda like watching a movie, and about 15 minutes in, you think "wow, this is going nowhere slowly!", and change the channel.

He seems to think "the way" has some special meaning every time it appears in scripture, but then you have verses like the following which renders his hypothesis nonsensical:

Scripture Verse: Genesis 16:7

The angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.

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Scripture Verse: Genesis 18:11

Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years. The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah.

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Scripture Verse: Judges 1:24

And the spies saw a man coming out of the city, and they said to him, “Please show us the way into the city, and we will deal kindly with you.”

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Scripture Verse: Isaiah 8:11

For the Lord spoke thus to me with his strong hand upon me, and warned me not to walk in the way of this people...

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And literally hundreds of other verses.

[Cow Poke]

He seems to think "the way" has some special meaning every time it appears in scripture, but then you have verses like the following which renders his hypothesis nonsensical:

Scripture Verse: Genesis 16:7

The angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.

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Scripture Verse: Genesis 18:11

Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years. The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah.

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Scripture Verse: Judges 1:24

And the spies saw a man coming out of the city, and they said to him, “Please show us the way into the city, and we will deal kindly with you.”

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Scripture Verse: Isaiah 8:11

For the Lord spoke thus to me with his strong hand upon me, and warned me not to walk in the way of this people...

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And literally hundreds of other verses.

EGGzackly.... looking up similar words, not similar intent.

[eider]

It's kinda like watching a movie, and about 15 minutes in, you think "wow, this is going nowhere slowly!", and change the channel.

OK. So change the channel.

[Cow Poke]

OK. So change the channel.

I don't take orders from foreign agents.

[eider]

He seems to think "the way" has some special meaning every time it appears in scripture, but then you have verses like the following which renders his hypothesis nonsensical:

Scripture Verse: Genesis 16:7

The angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.

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Scripture Verse: Genesis 18:11

Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years. The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah.

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Scripture Verse: Judges 1:24

And the spies saw a man coming out of the city, and they said to him, “Please show us the way into the city, and we will deal kindly with you.”

© Copyright Original Source

Scripture Verse: Isaiah 8:11

For the Lord spoke thus to me with his strong hand upon me, and warned me not to walk in the way of this people...

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And literally hundreds of other verses.

So much for your abilities with comprehension I mentioned that roads and such will slow me down a great deal.

The verses which I selected show that the way in these refers to law.
So much for your ideas about context.

[Sparko]

PRESENTATION PART FOUR.....

A review of 'G-Matthew' seems to show mentions of 'the way' or the Baptist who brought 'the way' from the prophets. Here they are as spoken by the priesthood, Jesus and the Baptist, all....

Matthew {7:14} Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. {7:15} Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing,

Matthew {21:32} For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen [it,] repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Matthew 22:16} And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any [man:] for thou regardest not the person of men. {22:17} Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

The priests acknowledged that Jesus spoke of 'the way' before offering their question about the law.

I will review G-Mark next.

Sometimes the words, "the way" are just that, and not referring to "the Way" as Christianity was initially called. The Eisogeses is strong with you, eider. You read the bible like one of those cult guys that forces their meanings into obscure verses to prove whatever heretical point they want to make. The Christians took the name "the Way" because Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life" - but that doesn't mean every mention of the words "the way" are connected to the name of the new religion.

[One Bad Pig]

OK. So change the channel.

He can't help but watch, like watching a train wreck.

[Mountain Man]

OK. So change the channel.

We're like those guys in Mystery Science Theater 3000 who sit through a bad movie just so we can make fun of it.

[tabibito]

So much for your abilities with comprehension I mentioned that roads and such will slow me down a great deal.

The verses which I selected show that the way in these refers to law.
So much for your ideas about context.

Give it your best shot - post the verse(s) where the law is undeniably (or closest thereto) identified as the way.

[Cow Poke]

He can't help but watch, like watching a train wreck.

No foolin' -- one night, I woke up about 3 AM, and went out into the living room to watch some TV.
A TV "evangelist" was on (don't remember his name, he used to sit in a recliner smoking a cigar while "preaching") and he had just said "Peter was a jerk".
I turned the channel to find something else, but was really curious about his statement, so I switched back to see what he said.

Again, no foolin', he looked right into the camera, and said "some of you switched to another channel, but couldn't help yourselves, and you came back".

I turned off the TV and went back to bed.

[tabibito]

No foolin' -- one night, I woke up about 3 AM, and went out into the living room to watch some TV.
A TV "evangelist" was on (don't remember his name, he used to sit in a recliner smoking a cigar while "preaching") and he had just said "Peter was a jerk".
I turned the channel to find something else, but was really curious about his statement, so I switched back to see what he said.

Again, no foolin', he looked right into the camera, and said "some of you switched to another channel, but couldn't help yourselves, and you came back".

I turned off the TV and went back to bed.

Human responses are very often highly predictable.

[Cow Poke]

No foolin' -- one night, I woke up about 3 AM, and went out into the living room to watch some TV.
A TV "evangelist" was on (don't remember his name, he used to sit in a recliner smoking a cigar while "preaching") and he had just said "Peter was a jerk".
I turned the channel to find something else, but was really curious about his statement, so I switched back to see what he said.

Again, no foolin', he looked right into the camera, and said "some of you switched to another channel, but couldn't help yourselves, and you came back".

I turned off the TV and went back to bed.

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[Mountain Man]

The verses which I selected show that the way in these refers to law.

No they don't. For instance, John the Baptist preparing the way for the Lord has nothing to do with the Law of Moses but, rather, refers to John preparing people's hearts and minds for the arrival of the Messiah, which you would know if you paid attention to the context.

Jesus saying that "the way that leads to life is narrow" has nothing to do with the law but is a metaphor pointing to the fact that there is only one path to salvation, which is through Jesus, a point reiterated elsewhere when he said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life," which, again, is not a reference to the Law of Moses. Again, you would know this if you paid attention to the context.

I see you noted Matthew 5 where Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law, which he did through his death and resurrection, and so we are no longer under the Old Covenant and the Law.

Scripture Verse: Luke 22

And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood."

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Indeed, the prophet Jeremiah said that a New Covenant was coming:

Scripture Verse: Jeremiah 31

Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt..."

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Jesus is the literal fulfillment of that promise.

You see, when we refer to Biblical context, we're not just talking about the immediately surrounding text but the entirety of scripture itself.

[Cow Poke]

No they don't. For instance, John the Baptist preparing the way for the Lord has nothing to do with the Law of Moses but, rather, refers to John preparing people's hearts and minds for the arrival of the Messiah, which you would know if you paid attention to the context.

Jesus saying that "the way that leads to life is narrow" has nothing to do with the law but is a metaphor pointing to the fact that there is only one path to salvation, which is through Jesus, a point reiterated elsewhere when he said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life," which, again, is not a reference to the Law of Moses. Again, you would know this if you paid attention to the context.

I see you noted Matthew 5 where Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law, which he did through his death and resurrection, and so we are no longer under the Old Covenant and the Law.

Scripture Verse: Luke 22

And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood."

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Indeed, the prophet Jeremiah said that a New Covenant was coming:

Scripture Verse: Jeremiah 31

Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt..."

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Jesus is the literal fulfillment of that promise.

You see, when we refer to Biblical context, we're not just talking about the immediately surrounding text but the entirety of scripture itself.

Well said! You might know a thing or two about the Bible!