Did Christianity lose its way?

[Mountain Man]

You didn't get it, I see.
We're done, matey......... go bother somebody else.

Speaking of cop outs...

[rogue06]

Me?...... missed a bit? I've never bothered with any of Paul's letters, neither genuine nor the others....... they tell nothing about the life and times of Jesus.

Except for the parts where he does, but you eliminate them because, for you, he never says anything about the life and times of Jesus

[rogue06]

Salvation is quite a bit more important than accommodation.

Word.

[Sparko]

Me?...... missed a bit? I've never bothered with any of Paul's letters, neither genuine nor the others....... they tell nothing about the life and times of Jesus.

And yet you told me: "PS.... I have read Paul's letter to the Hebrews. Why ever did you want me to read that?"

I guess we can't believe anything you tell us at this point.

[Sparko]

Have I understood you correctly? Are you now permanently exempt from sin?

As far as being condemned to hell, yes.

[eider]

About 80% correct, maybe even 90%. Rather a complex issue, but basically "people's sins are forgiven" =/= "people are forgiven for sinning."

Reads like a manual for lawless anarchy. Whatever you do, you'll be ok 'cos you believe you will be ok......?

Salvation is quite a bit more important than accommodation.

That thought would be enough to exclude you from any mission for peace in the world, methinks.

[eider]

Except for the parts where he does, but you eliminate them because, for you, he never says anything about the life and times of Jesus

So show me! Apart from mention of that last meal and hours.......... show me!
Previously you've been trying to tell me that all the churches knew the whole story of Jesus already, which is a cop out.........
...waiting.......

[eider]

And yet you told me: "PS.... I have read Paul's letter to the Hebrews. Why ever did you want me to read that?"

I guess we can't believe anything you tell us at this point.

Indeed I have....day before yesterday. At your suggestion. But there was nothing in that letter that told me anything about Jesus.
Previously, never......

What did you think I would find?

[tabibito]

Reads like a manual for lawless anarchy. Whatever you do, you'll be ok 'cos you believe you will be ok......?

Oddly, The New Testament writers, Paul included, are agreed that Christians must come to their senses as they ought and stop sinning.

That thought would be enough to exclude you from any mission for peace in the world, methinks.

I respect the right of others to disagree. If others don't respect my right to do likewise, I am not the one who opposes peace.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

As far as being condemned to hell, yes.

Does that mean that you can carry on sinning and still not be confined to the fiery pit?

[tabibito]

Does that mean that you can carry on sinning and still not be confined to the fiery pit?

Wilfully, no.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Wilfully, no.

Of course that would depend upon how one interpreted wilfully and how far the concept of free will actually extends when considering a belief in an omnipotent and omniscient creator being that has an ineffable plan.

[tabibito]

Of course that would depend upon how one interpreted wilfully

It does, but the wilful becomes apparent well before it reaches the extreme. While repentance is generally available even for wilful sin, there can come a time when the opportunity to repent is withdrawn (temporarily or, in extremis, permanently.)

and how far the concept of free will actually extends when considering a belief in an omnipotent and omniscient creator being that has an ineffable plan.

At least to the point where a person can invoke the walkaway clause.

[rogue06]

Except for the parts where he does, but you eliminate them because, for you, he never says anything about the life and times of Jesus

So show me! Apart from mention of that last meal and hours.......... show me!

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of an "own goal."

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

It does, but the wilful becomes apparent well before it reaches the extreme. While repentance is generally available even for wilful sin, there can come a time when the opportunity to repent is withdrawn (temporarily or, in extremis, permanently.)




At least to the point where a person can invoke the walkaway clause.

An interesting comment. Although your apparent ability to understand the mind of your deity is quite amusing..