Does Islam preach forcible conversion?

[rogue06]

Where are the texts?

Without context your googled comments have no relevance.

You seem unable to grasp this simple fact.

I did at least provide my citations.

Yes. I have most definitely touched a nerve.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Your citation from a popular article written by a muslim apologist site?

You didn't read my other posts?

[rogue06]

Your citation from a popular article written by a muslim apologist site?

But hey, she has provided me with another example of taqqiya/idtirar (lying to non-Muslims) to include.

The piece by Hassam Munir, who's bio says that he

...is currently pursuing an MA in Mediterranean and Middle East History at the University of Toronto. He is the founder of iHistory, a public history project, and was recognized as an Emerging Historian at the 2017 Heritage Toronto Awards

where he writes

A key “fact” of this spread-by-the-sword narrative is the notion of forced conversions of non-Muslims to Islam. This is part of a constellation of questionable “facts” that have been repurposed many times in history.

which tees up the following beaut

The Positions of Historians

The notion of Islam being “spread by the sword” can be traced to the Crusades and remained a cornerstone of European Christians’ anti-Islam polemics for centuries.

Yup. Just something that the Crusaders came up with.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yes. I have most definitely touched a nerve.

Have you heard of Patricia Crone, Marshall Hodgson, or Frederick Donner? I know you've heard of Keith Bradley with regard to The Cambridge World History of Slavery because some time ago on another thread you stated [my emphasis]

Keith "K. R." Bradley, who has both written and edited numerous works on slavery in the ancient world (including all 3 volumes of The Cambridge World History of Slavery)

And I had to point out to you that it actually runs to four volumes!

[rogue06]

Have you heard of Patricia Crone, Marshall Hodgson, or Frederick Donner? I know you've heard of Keith Bradley with regard to The Cambridge World History of Slavery because some time ago on another thread you stated [my emphasis]



And I had to point out to you that it actually runs to four volumes!

Boy that nerve I touched must've been a raw one.

Have you come up with any more humdingers to amuse everyone such as

Islam does not preach forcible conversion.

We do not know what Muhammed said. The Qur'an was written down centuries later.

Around 800 CE biographies of Muhammed came to written and these were carefully preserved. Before that? We have nothing.

The Qur'an is silent on Gabriel's revelations or any supernatural voice. The figure does appear in some verses but there is no mention of that figure being the messenger of supernatural revelations.

Nor were the hadiths ever intended to be considered in such a manner.

Or maybe more attempts to show that Jesus also commanded conversion by the sword that have been a regular laugh riot so far.

At the very least please find another source who will do something like your last one and insist that the notion that Islam was spread at the point of the sword was nothing but some myth that the Crusaders came up with.

[rogue06]

What happened to those trying to show that Mohammad never told Muslims that Islam was to be spread by the sword if they didn't willingly convert -- or at the very least if it was then Christianity is no different? There was more than H_A in the other thread promoting this.

Did reality finally penetrate their invincible ignorance, and unlike H_A who now is frantically trying to change the topic to anything else, did they just slink away?

[One Bad Pig]

Have you heard of Patricia Crone, Marshall Hodgson, or Frederick Donner? I know you've heard of Keith Bradley with regard to The Cambridge World History of Slavery because some time ago on another thread you stated [my emphasis]



And I had to point out to you that it actually runs to four volumes!

The final volume hadn't been published yet when he typed that, O picker of nits. I expect you'll continue to determinedly pursue minor side issues rather than address your rather more prominent errors, however.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The final volume hadn't been published yet when he typed that, O picker of nits. I expect you'll continue to determinedly pursue minor side issues rather than address your rather more prominent errors, however.

Goodness me!

You are eager to defend your pal!

However, the comment from rogue06 that I cited was made in this thread: https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...e3#post1206511
and posted at 11-15-2020, 07:00 AM

I replied in post 42 and that was posted at 11-16-2020, 04:08 PM. N.B. The times are as they appear on my computer

Volume I: The Ancient Mediterranean World [Eds. Keith Bradley and Paul Cartledge]
Volume II: ad 500–ad 1420 [ Eds. David Eltis and Stanley L. Engerman]
Volume III: ad 1420–ad 1804 [Eds. David Eltis and Stanley L. Engerman]
Volume IV: ad 1804–ad 2000 [Eds David Eltis and Stanley L. Engerman]

Bradley along with Cartledge, Eltis, and Engerman is one of the Series editors.

However, if you consider that that particular volume was not published in 2020 - perhaps you can explain this. My emphasis

https://www.cambridge.org/us/academi...me-4?format=HB

The Cambridge World History of Slavery


Volume 4. AD 1804–AD 2016

Part of The Cambridge World History of Slavery

• EDITORS:
• David Eltis, Emory University, Atlanta
• Stanley L. Engerman, University of Rochester, New York
• Seymour Drescher, University of Pittsburgh
• David Richardson, University of Hull

View all contributors

• DATE PUBLISHED: April 2017
• AVAILABILITY: Available
• FORMAT: Hardback
• ISBN: 9780521840699

[tabibito]

Goodness me!

You are eager to defend your pal!

However, the comment from rogue06 that I cited was made in this thread: https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...e3#post1206511
and posted at 11-15-2020, 07:00 AM

I replied in post 42 and that was posted at 11-16-2020, 04:08 PM. N.B. The times are as they appear on my computer

Volume I: The Ancient Mediterranean World [Eds. Keith Bradley and Paul Cartledge]
Volume II: ad 500–ad 1420 [ Eds. David Eltis and Stanley L. Engerman]
Volume III: ad 1420–ad 1804 [Eds. David Eltis and Stanley L. Engerman]
Volume IV: ad 1804–ad 2000 [Eds David Eltis and Stanley L. Engerman]

Bradley along with Cartledge, Eltis, and Engerman is one of the Series editors.

However, if you consider that that particular volume was not published in 2020 - perhaps you can explain this. My emphasis

https://www.cambridge.org/us/academi...me-4?format=HB

The Cambridge World History of Slavery


Volume 4. AD 1804–AD 2016

Part of The Cambridge World History of Slavery

• EDITORS:
• David Eltis, Emory University, Atlanta
• Stanley L. Engerman, University of Rochester, New York
• Seymour Drescher, University of Pittsburgh
• David Richardson, University of Hull

View all contributors

• DATE PUBLISHED: April 2017
• AVAILABILITY: Available
• FORMAT: Hardback
• ISBN: 9780521840699

Volume 2 was the last one published. 2021.


Cambridge History Slavery.jpg

[rogue06]

I think H_A is correct in that volume 4 was written in 2017, however...

What I was referring to was Keith Bradley and what he was involved with and what he said, and not the CWHoS per se. He wasn't involved with volume 4 AFAICT.

Keith "K. R." Bradley, who has both written and edited numerous works on slavery in the ancient world (including all 3 volumes of The Cambridge World History of Slavery) wrote about connection between slavery and warfare made in the Digest (a.k.a., the Pandects) of Justinian noting that the definition of slavery provided by Florentius, the Roman praetorian prefect, was used by it, and which declared

Unfortunately, the way I wrote it can definitely be seen as saying what H_A mistook it for. That would be my fault for the lack of clarity

[tabibito]

I think H_A is correct in that volume 4 was written in 2017, however...

What I was referring to was Keith Bradley and what he was involved with and what he said, and not the CWHoS per se. He wasn't involved with volume 4 AFAICT.

Keith "K. R." Bradley, who has both written and edited numerous works on slavery in the ancient world (including all 3 volumes of The Cambridge World History of Slavery) wrote about connection between slavery and warfare made in the Digest (a.k.a., the Pandects) of Justinian noting that the definition of slavery provided by Florentius, the Roman praetorian prefect, was used by it, and which declared

Unfortunately, the way I wrote it can definitely be seen as saying what H_A mistook it for. That would be my fault for the lack of clarity

Volume 4 was released in 2017, but volume 2 didn't exist until 2021 - so, three volumes only in 2020.

[One Bad Pig]

Volume 2 was the last one published. 2021.


Cambridge History Slavery.jpg

I was waiting for her to wrongly jump at that.

[tabibito]

I was waiting for her to wrongly jump at that.

Should we feel guilty? She makes it almost too easy.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I was waiting for her to wrongly jump at that.

Should we feel guilty? She makes it almost too easy.

I must be clairvoyant then!

Volume II: ad 500–ad 1420 [ Eds. David Eltis and Stanley L. Engerman]

[tabibito]

I must be clairvoyant then!

Volume II: ad 500–ad 1420 [ Eds. David Eltis and Stanley L. Engerman]

It is just a glaring example of your usual standard of research.