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How much of Christianity came from Jesus, and how much came from other sources?
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Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by eider View PostOh ho ho! So you do not attach too much significance to what he said?
This looks like a visit to the salad bar!
Go tell all to the Jews, who have suffered thousands of years of Anti-Semitism, and G-John only added to all that.
Flawed interpretations of John's writing didn't take into account the meaning that existed at the time of writing.
No....not a one man picket........ Jesus and his followers. Scores of them would be needed to carry out what was described.
Don't start pretending that I was referring to Samaritans. You mention '#Israelites', exactly who are you referring to?
Jesus and his followers went to the Temple to trash the bazaar and halt all progress through the Temple......a huge picket line.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Yes...... tents.
You've read about two house remains from the 1st century, you claim, yet we are interested in only the first thirty years.
Anything to fit your agenda, methinks.
The working people of the Northern Provinces who travelled to where work was...lived in tents.
The hilltop communities around Zippori would have lived in tents.
Sorry about that, what I meant to say is...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou are truly impervious to facts, aren't you? Perhaps you should take a look at the dates when these things were discovered. Your research from decades ago is sadly outdated.
Who discovered this lot? And where?
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostYou ascribe an imagined significance to Jesus' words that Jesus did not intend.
Methinks you attach what suits you...possibly?
Salad Bar!
The sinking of the Titanic, according to newspaper headlines of the time, was terrific. That's a pretty nasty comment if it is read today without taking into account that "terrific" no longer means what it did at the beginning of the twentieth century.
Flawed interpretations of John's writing didn't take into account the meaning that existed at the time of writing.
The fact that the author/s of G-John got the timeline, calendar, key facts and more completely wrong, and that they pretended that Jesus's Mother and a disciple were near the cross, these total imposts cannot be answered by such excuses as yours.
Do you intend to publish your redacted version of the gospel?
Jesus was brought up in Nazareth - in the first century, it was in Judaea and was (ethnically) Israelite territory, not Jewish - not even Judah's territory.
I expect that Jesus lived in Nazareth in childhood, but have never found any proof. Have you got sources which describe the upbringing of Jesus...in Galilee?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Mark {6:3} Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Sorry about that, what I meant to say is...
Tent - Bible History
https://bible-history.com › tabernacle › tent
A tent was generally erected with sets of 3 poles, the longest poles were set up in a line down the center with the two shorter sets of poles on either side., ...
How People Made a Living in the Time of Jesus | Resources
https://bibleresources.americanbible.org › resource › ho...
At first, these herders (shepherds) were wandering nomads who lived in tents and had very little personal property. They moved from place to place, always ...
WHAT WERE HOUSES LIKE IN ANCIENT ISRAEL?
https://womeninthebible.net › Home › Bible Archaeology
Tents were made from goats' hair or dark sheep's wool, woven in rectangular strips on large looms. Women wove the fabric for the tents, stitched them together, ...
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Originally posted by eider View Post
What a wonderful analogy!
The fact that the author/s of G-John got the timeline, calendar, key facts and more completely wrong, and that they pretended that Jesus's Mother and a disciple were near the cross, these total imposts cannot be answered by such excuses as yours.
It was in Galilee, and Israel was long gone.
I expect that Jesus lived in Nazareth in childhood, but have never found any proof. Have you got sources which describe the upbringing of Jesus...in Galilee?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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How absolutely amazing! You are now reducing some of his words, and no doubt would wish to raise up others.
Methinks you attach what suits you...possibly?
Salad Bar!1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
.⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
In Nazareth, early on. Jesus couldn't achieve much there and left, went off to other communities.. Later on he seemed to turn towards his true followers.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Oh really? Are you telling me that more buildings from 0-30AD have been found? A house where Jesus lived, maybe?
Who discovered this lot? And where?
Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Back to school......... a few links just to get you started.
Tent - Bible History
https://bible-history.com › tabernacle › tent
A tent was generally erected with sets of 3 poles, the longest poles were set up in a line down the center with the two shorter sets of poles on either side., ...
How People Made a Living in the Time of Jesus | Resources
https://bibleresources.americanbible.org › resource › ho...
At first, these herders (shepherds) were wandering nomads who lived in tents and had very little personal property. They moved from place to place, always ...
WHAT WERE HOUSES LIKE IN ANCIENT ISRAEL?
https://womeninthebible.net › Home › Bible Archaeology
Tents were made from goats' hair or dark sheep's wool, woven in rectangular strips on large looms. Women wove the fabric for the tents, stitched them together, ...
Learn to fail better.
1. I suppose that since Paul was making tents in Corinth this meant that city was entirely made of tents
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Oh really? Are you telling me that more buildings from 0-30AD have been found? A house where Jesus lived, maybe?
Who discovered this lot? And where?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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