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[rogue06]

Why don't you read about the history of this hill top?


Are you trying to pretend that 2000 years ago you would have set up home for your family in a low place rather than a high place? This is an IQ test question.

The IQ test is whether or not you are capable of accepting all of the evidence that beats your baseless fantasy into a fine pink mist.

As you've been informed, Nazareth is not perched atop a hill as you continue to fantasize. Instead it's located within a small basin that's surrounded by hills.

What do we know about Nazareth in Jesus’ time? An archaeologist explains

There are geographical, environmental explanations for Nazareth being so small, she said. Nazareth was set in a small basin surrounded by hills and wasn’t very accessible. It did have a water supply from what is called today Mary’s Well, and there is evidence of some limited terraced agriculture, as well as pasture fields. But since the town wasn’t located on a roadway, “people didn’t go through Nazareth unless they specifically wanted to go there. And that was really the reason that it remained a small site until the 19th century.”

Nazareth: The Significance in Jesus’ Time

Located in the lower part of Galilee, a district in the north of Israel, 56 km west of the sea of Galilee, set in a small basin, lies the ancient city of Nazareth.

Responding to the Skeptic’s Attack Against Nazareth

He wrote: “The fact that habitations and other domestic evidence have never been uncovered on the hillside confirms the obvious. It is clear that the settlement in all ancient periods was situated on the valley floor” (p. 68).

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From the few written sources that there are, we know that in the first century CE Nazareth was a small Jewish village, located inside a valley.

Holman Bible Dictionary

Nazareth was located in lower Galilee about halfway between the Sea of Galilee and the Mediterranean Sea. It lay in the hill country north of the Plain of Esdraelon. The hills formed a natural basin with three sides, but open toward the south. The city was on the slopes of the basin, facing east and southeast.

McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia

Dr. Porter (Hand-bookfor Syria and Palestine, 2:359) has described Nazareth as lying at the bottom of "the hill on the northside" of the little plain.

And they didn't find those building for which I've supplied the photographs for up on the top of the hill.

Here are a few screen captures of some of the images from Stratum II (the period in question) taken from one dig site in 2020 of your tent city

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[Cow Poke]

What do you think that the residents of Nazareth did?
Do you know how large Nazareth was? (The city of Sepphoris's main buildings area was 7 acres....which was magnificent, btw)
How many would farm sheep?
How many might have worked on the Sepphoris rebuilding circa 2-1BC?)

I wasn't there, and neither were you.
You have made wild assumptions on which you build your house of cards.

[eider]

https://www.cleveland.com/religion/2...areth_say.html
The dwelling and older discoveries of nearby tombs in burial caves suggest that Nazareth was an out-of-the-way hamlet of around 50 houses on a patch of about four acres (1.6 hectares).

A report from 2009 at which time evidence of only one small property was known.
But at least your chosen report supports the size of these hilltop communities at about 4 acres.
I mentioned to Cow Poke that Sepphoris was a city, the main building compising about 7 acres (and he responded that he thought I am weird........ )

That report you showed mentions how peasant communities did their best to hide from Roman Forces.......I'll bet that they did!

When researchers 'suggest' then their guess is just a guess, and since this community was recent (after an evacuation during the recent Roman presence) then the peasants would have brought tents with them.
Here is an archeological report for all of Palestine through several eras by a very prominent historian (Meier) and if you will look at it you'll realise how little that is left after 2000 years. I can only hope that it opens.

Distribution maps (1).pdf

[eider]

I wasn't there, and neither were you.
You have made wild assumptions on which you build your house of cards.

After 2000 years archeologists have to make best guesses, 'based upon the balance of probabilities'.

Read tabibito's post and attachment which suggests that Nazareth comprised 4 acres in size.
The main buildings of Sepphoris comprised 7 acres of building on a hill top (Herod called the place 'bird's nest'....Ziporri.
Romans crucified over a thousand male captives after taking back Sepphoris and enslaved all saleable women and children.
Peasants fled from Roman troops. For security they preferred to be able to keep watch.


And more....... your 'picture' of what Galilee was like 2000 years ago must be very myopic.
What do you think peasant children did? That should be a fascinating read from you.

[eider]

The IQ test is whether or not you are capable of accepting all of the evidence that beats your baseless fantasy into a fine pink mist.

And they didn't find those building for which I've supplied the photographs for up on the top of the hill.

After 2000 years the only remains that could be dated were the lamps that were found.

And 'No'...... peasants would not have hid underground when the Romans came pillaging and looting.
There were two legions and a cohort sent to take back Sepphoris and peasants from miles around would have legged it,.

Celcus wrote that some peasant folks did survive that time and situation but I don't think that you would want to read about that. Or would you?

[tabibito]

A report from 2009 at which time evidence of only one small property was known.
But at least your chosen report supports the size of these hilltop communities at about 4 acres.
I mentioned to Cow Poke that Sepphoris was a city, the main building compising about 7 acres (and he responded that he thought I am weird........ )

That report you showed mentions how peasant communities did their best to hide from Roman Forces.......I'll bet that they did!

When researchers 'suggest' then their guess is just a guess, and since this community was recent (after an evacuation during the recent Roman presence) then the peasants would have brought tents with them.
Here is an archeological report for all of Palestine through several eras by a very prominent historian (Meier) and if you will look at it you'll realise how little that is left after 2000 years. I can only hope that it opens.

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The report says nothing about a hilltop community - it refers to Nazareth. The nearest hilltop community was at Sepphoris, a fortress city. You will note that while the report suggests more than 50 houses, I gave a downward revised "more than 20." Archaeologists offer an educated guess when they claim that evidence suggests, it is not a guess pulled out of thin air.

[tabibito]

http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/yo...057b2c0705e2f6

The dwelling and older discoveries of nearby tombs in burial caves suggest that Nazareth was an out-of-the-way hamlet of around 50 houses on a patch of about four acres

Alexandre said her team also found a camouflaged entry way into a grotto, which she believes was used by Jews at the time to hide from Roman soldiers who were battling Jewish rebels at the time for control of the area.

The grotto would have hid around six people for a few hours, she said.

However, Roman soldiers did not end up battling Nazareth's Jews because the hamlet had little strategic value at the time.

The Roman army was more interested in larger towns and strategic hilltop communities, she said.

Alexandre said similar camouflaged grottos were found in other ancient Jewish communities of the lower Galilee such as the nearby Biblical village

of Cana, which did witness battle between Jews and Romans.

So much for the marauding Roman armies being a threat to Nazareth; hilltop communities being of greater interest, as were larger towns generally.

[rogue06]

A report from 2009 at which time evidence of only one small property was known.
But at least your chosen report supports the size of these hilltop communities at about 4 acres.
I mentioned to Cow Poke that Sepphoris was a city, the main building compising about 7 acres (and he responded that he thought I am weird........ )

That report you showed mentions how peasant communities did their best to hide from Roman Forces.......I'll bet that they did!

When researchers 'suggest' then their guess is just a guess, and since this community was recent (after an evacuation during the recent Roman presence) then the peasants would have brought tents with them.
Here is an archeological report for all of Palestine through several eras by a very prominent historian (Meier) and if you will look at it you'll realise how little that is left after 2000 years. I can only hope that it opens.

[ATTACH]n1456029[/ATTACH]

Researchers "suggest" because being scientists they understand that they cannot ever "prove" things no matter how much evidence for it. It's the nature of science itself.

But it's nice you finally understand that Nazareth was an out of the way location that you essentially had to look for to find. That is yet more evidence that it was not sitting high atop a hill, as you continue to hallucinate, where it could be easily seen from a distance.

[rogue06]

http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/yo...057b2c0705e2f6

The dwelling and older discoveries of nearby tombs in burial caves suggest that Nazareth was an out-of-the-way hamlet of around 50 houses on a patch of about four acres

Alexandre said her team also found a camouflaged entry way into a grotto, which she believes was used by Jews at the time to hide from Roman soldiers who were battling Jewish rebels at the time for control of the area.

The grotto would have hid around six people for a few hours, she said.

However, Roman soldiers did not end up battling Nazareth's Jews because the hamlet had little strategic value at the time.

The Roman army was more interested in larger towns and strategic hilltop communities, she said.

Alexandre said similar camouflaged grottos were found in other ancient Jewish communities of the lower Galilee such as the nearby Biblical village

of Cana, which did witness battle between Jews and Romans.

So much for the marauding Roman armies being a threat to Nazareth; hilltop communities being of greater interest, as were larger towns generally.

You missed a key part which I highlighted.

Excavations also uncovered "hidey holes" below storage areas that were some times multi-layer. Useful boltholes for the times bandits or a hostile army comes across you.

[tabibito]

You missed a key part which I highlighted.

Excavations also uncovered "hidey holes" below storage areas that were some times multi-layer. Useful boltholes for the times bandits or a hostile army comes across you.

I addressed that in the prior post:

The report says nothing about a hilltop community - it refers to Nazareth. The nearest hilltop community was at Sepphoris, a fortress city. You will note that while the report suggests more than 50 houses, I gave a downward revised "more than 20." Archaeologists offer an educated guess when they claim that evidence suggests, it is not a guess pulled out of thin air.

[Cow Poke]

After 2000 years archeologists have to make best guesses, 'based upon the balance of probabilities'.

You seem to be making this rather personal, including silly personal attacks against others.
I really don't care about your obsession with this, or your attitude concerning it.

Unsubscribing.

[Sparko]

Most........... there is evidence of a 1st century building at Nazareth. Most itinerant peasants were tent dwellers.
If you think that there were folks living at Nazareth or any of the other hilltops around Sepphoris during the Roman siege and razing of Sepphoris then I can't help you.

You didn't answer my question.
Please show me the evidence that Nazareth was full of buildings in the early first century AD.

Why bother? You will just ignore it like you did when Rogue06 showed you evidence. Your method of deciding what is true is this:

1. I believe X!
2. Does the evidence support X or contradict X?
3. If it supports it then that proves I was right!
4. If it doesn't support X then that proves the evidence is wrong!

[rogue06]

Why bother? You will just ignore it like you did when Rogue06 showed you evidence. Your method of deciding what is true is this:

1. I believe X!
2. Does the evidence support X or contradict X?
3. If it supports it then that proves I was right!
4. If it doesn't support X then that proves the evidence is wrong!

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[Sparko]

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I unfriend you!

[eider]

The report says nothing about a hilltop community - it refers to Nazareth. The nearest hilltop community was at Sepphoris, a fortress city.

Wrong. Cana 1 was the nearest community to Nazareth.
Wrong. Sepphoris was razed to rubble, nothing...by the Romans, until Antipas had rebuilt the place.

The only reason for so many working peasants to be placing their families on hilltop communities in the area was the massive amount of work that Antipas created with his rebuilding program.
Who needed to be on those hilltops otherwise? Shepherds is about all.

You will note that while the report suggests more than 50 houses, I gave a downward revised "more than 20." Archaeologists offer an educated guess when they claim that evidence suggests, it is not a guess pulled out of thin air.

I didn't bother with those numbers, I took notice of the guess at the place's size........ 4 acres, which seems appropriate,.