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  • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    In the early 50s CE?
    Given that the term "Christian" was coined in 46-48CE - it seems a reasonable assumption.
    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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    Scripture before Tradition:
    but that won't prevent others from
    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
    of the right to call yourself Christian.

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    • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      I'm dealing with an interlocutor who doesn't demonstrate the ability to understand anything more substantial than puerility.
      That suggests you have no real case to answer.


      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      Indeed - but less speculative than the unfounded assumptions that you accept as fact.
      Without any attested historical evidence your suppositions remain precisely that.

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      No information is provided. I'll leave you to speculate, mostly because you seem to consider that you are the only one with the right to speculate.
      Yet is it not odd that this individual [whom you consider to be founding a new religion] did not initiate his followers by that process?

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post


      I feel no more bound to do so than you feel bound to provide substantiation for your claims that the gospels were written at a late date, or that Peter remained a fisherman even when he was in Rome, and could not possibly have learned any additional languages during his lifetime.
      I have provided academic comment but that goes against your beliefs, hence you reject it.

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      Given your refusal to provide substantiation for your own opinions, I will reserve the right to continue to do so.
      I used the translated text as it has come down to us.

      However, without any substantive and attested historical evidence to support your various comments, I feel that this exchange has run its course.

      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        Given the generally accepted dates for Acts that is a somewhat later term. .
        That it was written later does not mean that it only records "current events".

        Its story is clearly an extension of the Gospel accounts, picking right up from where Jesus ascended into Heaven.

        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          Without any attested historical evidence your suppositions remain precisely that.
          I don't deny that I make suppositions - I don't present them as facts.

          Yet is it not odd that this individual [whom you consider to be founding a new religion] did not initiate his followers by that process?
          Jesus assigned that task to his disciples - according to the texts, that is.

          I have provided academic comment but that goes against your beliefs, hence you reject it.
          You did? Nothing you have provided rises above the level of speculation.



          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
          .
          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
          Scripture before Tradition:
          but that won't prevent others from
          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
          of the right to call yourself Christian.

          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            That it was written later does not mean that it only records "current events".

            Its story is clearly an extension of the Gospel accounts, picking right up from where Jesus ascended into Heaven.
            The four canonical gospels are not contemporary with the life of a Galilean Jewish charismatic, although I understand that pious belief considers that they are.
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              The four canonical gospels are not contemporary with the life of a Galilean Jewish charismatic, although I understand that pious belief considers that they are.
              .............bare assertion.................................................. .................................................. .......................................haughty dismissiveness
              Last edited by tabibito; 01-29-2023, 07:28 AM.
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
              .
              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                In the early 50s CE?
                Earlier.

                Paul was from Tarsus

                Barnabas was from Cyprus

                Aquila and Priscilla were from Rome[1]

                Crispus was from Corinth (and the head of the synagogue there)

                The Ethiopian eunuch was from before Paul converted.

                So why is a Jew from Damascus following Jesus is just too much for you to accept?



                1. a number of others from both Rome and Corinth could be added as well.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Earlier.

                  Paul was from Tarsus

                  Barnabas was from Cyprus

                  Aquila and Priscilla were from Rome[1]

                  Crispus was from Corinth (and the head of the synagogue there)

                  The Ethiopian eunuch was from before Paul converted.

                  So why is a Jew from Damascus following Jesus is just too much for you to accept?



                  1. a number of others from both Rome and Corinth could be added as well.
                  Nothing may be permitted to disrupt the atheist narrative.
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                  .
                  ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

                  ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                  • Originally posted by eider View Post
                    Nazareth ....early 1st century

                    There was a fairly large community living upon Nazareth Hill and around it in the early 1st century. Archeology results report that only a few lamps and remains of one possible 1st century building could be found on Nazareth, although evidence of remains from earlier and later times have been found.

                    Topography: The whole area around Nazareth is a series of valleys and hills, and humans have always focused their communities upon high ground for safety and security. There are about 30-50 hummocks and hills around this whole area which could provide security to ancient communities, but I do not have any archeology reports about these.
                    As you've been informed, Nazareth is not perched atop a hill as you continue to fantasize. Instead it's located within a small basin that's surrounded by hills.

                    What do we know about Nazareth in Jesus’ time? An archaeologist explains
                    There are geographical, environmental explanations for Nazareth being so small, she said. Nazareth was set in a small basin surrounded by hills and wasn’t very accessible. It did have a water supply from what is called today Mary’s Well, and there is evidence of some limited terraced agriculture, as well as pasture fields. But since the town wasn’t located on a roadway, “people didn’t go through Nazareth unless they specifically wanted to go there. And that was really the reason that it remained a small site until the 19th century.”


                    Nazareth: The Significance in Jesus’ Time
                    Located in the lower part of Galilee, a district in the north of Israel, 56 km west of the sea of Galilee, set in a small basin, lies the ancient city of Nazareth.


                    Responding to the Skeptic’s Attack Against Nazareth
                    He wrote: “The fact that habitations and other domestic evidence have never been uncovered on the hillside confirms the obvious. It is clear that the settlement in all ancient periods was situated on the valley floor” (p. 68).

                    [...]

                    From the few written sources that there are, we know that in the first century CE Nazareth was a small Jewish village, located inside a valley.


                    Holman Bible Dictionary
                    Nazareth was located in lower Galilee about halfway between the Sea of Galilee and the Mediterranean Sea. It lay in the hill country north of the Plain of Esdraelon. The hills formed a natural basin with three sides, but open toward the south. The city was on the slopes of the basin, facing east and southeast.


                    McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia
                    Dr. Porter (Hand-bookfor Syria and Palestine, 2:359) has described Nazareth as lying at the bottom of "the hill on the northside" of the little plain.









                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                      Given the generally accepted dates for Acts that is a somewhat later term. .
                      Only if you assume that the author coined the term rather than repeated one already in use.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                        I don't deny that I make suppositions - I don't present them as facts.
                        What a novel idea. It doesn't appear too popular in Europe if those posting from there in this thread are any indication.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          The four canonical gospels are not contemporary with the life of a Galilean Jewish charismatic, although I understand that pious belief considers that they are.
                          Oh do tell, who do you imagine thinks they were written during Jesus' lifetime?

                          What an imbecilic thing to post.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                            Given that the term "Christian" was coined in 46-48CE - it seems a reasonable assumption.
                            Really? On what attested historical evidence?

                            Or should I write:

                            bare assertion........
                            Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 01-29-2023, 08:50 AM.
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Only if you assume that the author coined the term rather than repeated one already in use.
                              That this term was already in already in use from the late 30s CE, seems, to my mind, somewhat unlikely.
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                The four canonical gospels are not contemporary with the life of a Galilean Jewish charismatic, although I understand that pious belief considers that they are.
                                In your opinion, of course.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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