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1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
I'm dealing with an interlocutor who doesn't demonstrate the ability to understand anything more substantial than puerility.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostIndeed - but less speculative than the unfounded assumptions that you accept as fact.
Originally posted by tabibito View Post
No information is provided. I'll leave you to speculate, mostly because you seem to consider that you are the only one with the right to speculate.
Originally posted by tabibito View Post
I feel no more bound to do so than you feel bound to provide substantiation for your claims that the gospels were written at a late date, or that Peter remained a fisherman even when he was in Rome, and could not possibly have learned any additional languages during his lifetime.
Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Given your refusal to provide substantiation for your own opinions, I will reserve the right to continue to do so.
However, without any substantive and attested historical evidence to support your various comments, I feel that this exchange has run its course.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostGiven the generally accepted dates for Acts that is a somewhat later term. .
Its story is clearly an extension of the Gospel accounts, picking right up from where Jesus ascended into Heaven.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostWithout any attested historical evidence your suppositions remain precisely that.
Yet is it not odd that this individual [whom you consider to be founding a new religion] did not initiate his followers by that process?
I have provided academic comment but that goes against your beliefs, hence you reject it.
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
That it was written later does not mean that it only records "current events".
Its story is clearly an extension of the Gospel accounts, picking right up from where Jesus ascended into Heaven."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
The four canonical gospels are not contemporary with the life of a Galilean Jewish charismatic, although I understand that pious belief considers that they are.Last edited by tabibito; 01-29-2023, 07:28 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
In the early 50s CE?
Paul was from Tarsus
Barnabas was from Cyprus
Aquila and Priscilla were from Rome[1]
Crispus was from Corinth (and the head of the synagogue there)
The Ethiopian eunuch was from before Paul converted.
So why is a Jew from Damascus following Jesus is just too much for you to accept?
1. a number of others from both Rome and Corinth could be added as well.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostEarlier.
Paul was from Tarsus
Barnabas was from Cyprus
Aquila and Priscilla were from Rome[1]
Crispus was from Corinth (and the head of the synagogue there)
The Ethiopian eunuch was from before Paul converted.
So why is a Jew from Damascus following Jesus is just too much for you to accept?
1. a number of others from both Rome and Corinth could be added as well.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by eider View PostNazareth ....early 1st century
There was a fairly large community living upon Nazareth Hill and around it in the early 1st century. Archeology results report that only a few lamps and remains of one possible 1st century building could be found on Nazareth, although evidence of remains from earlier and later times have been found.
Topography: The whole area around Nazareth is a series of valleys and hills, and humans have always focused their communities upon high ground for safety and security. There are about 30-50 hummocks and hills around this whole area which could provide security to ancient communities, but I do not have any archeology reports about these.
What do we know about Nazareth in Jesus’ time? An archaeologist explains
There are geographical, environmental explanations for Nazareth being so small, she said. Nazareth was set in a small basin surrounded by hills and wasn’t very accessible. It did have a water supply from what is called today Mary’s Well, and there is evidence of some limited terraced agriculture, as well as pasture fields. But since the town wasn’t located on a roadway, “people didn’t go through Nazareth unless they specifically wanted to go there. And that was really the reason that it remained a small site until the 19th century.”
Nazareth: The Significance in Jesus’ Time
Located in the lower part of Galilee, a district in the north of Israel, 56 km west of the sea of Galilee, set in a small basin, lies the ancient city of Nazareth.
Responding to the Skeptic’s Attack Against Nazareth
He wrote: “The fact that habitations and other domestic evidence have never been uncovered on the hillside confirms the obvious. It is clear that the settlement in all ancient periods was situated on the valley floor” (p. 68).
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From the few written sources that there are, we know that in the first century CE Nazareth was a small Jewish village, located inside a valley.
Holman Bible Dictionary
Nazareth was located in lower Galilee about halfway between the Sea of Galilee and the Mediterranean Sea. It lay in the hill country north of the Plain of Esdraelon. The hills formed a natural basin with three sides, but open toward the south. The city was on the slopes of the basin, facing east and southeast.
McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia
Dr. Porter (Hand-bookfor Syria and Palestine, 2:359) has described Nazareth as lying at the bottom of "the hill on the northside" of the little plain.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostGiven the generally accepted dates for Acts that is a somewhat later term. .
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
I don't deny that I make suppositions - I don't present them as facts.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
The four canonical gospels are not contemporary with the life of a Galilean Jewish charismatic, although I understand that pious belief considers that they are.
What an imbecilic thing to post.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Given that the term "Christian" was coined in 46-48CE - it seems a reasonable assumption.
Or should I write:
bare assertion........Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 01-29-2023, 08:50 AM."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOnly if you assume that the author coined the term rather than repeated one already in use."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
The four canonical gospels are not contemporary with the life of a Galilean Jewish charismatic, although I understand that pious belief considers that they are.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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