Paul and the Judaizers

[tabibito]

Despite all those biblical accounts of divinely sanctioned massacres and genocides?

I wasn't aware of those records at the time, and "willing" doesn't imply that things won't be done unwillingly.

You are putting the grammatical wagon before the horse. A preconception is conceived in advance of experience, not as a result of experience.

Quite so. What you imagine are preconceptions are nothing of the sort.

What evidence? You likewise have provided [on occasion] links to papers and/or sections from books. What is that but advancing "other peoples opinions and speculations"?

I never (almost never, anyway) provide references that I haven't personally checked for veracity. Posting a reference without first checking it (unless it is known to be correct in advance, which requires that the information was checked earlier) is a sure-fire recipe for getting egg on the face.

It needs more than a few [in my opinion polemical tracts] published privately on Amazon.

The tracts are polemical - at worst, no less so than what comes from your favoured authors.

And why then was he going there "from Nazareth"?

It seems that Mary's hometown was Nazareth - that's where she was when the angel spoke with her. There is no reason to wonder why would Joseph be in Nazareth.

They probably remained in Bethlehem because, as Luke states, it was Joseph's hometown.

No it was not

because he was descended from the house and family of David.Luke

3 And everyone was on his way to register for the census, each to his own city.
4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David,
5 in order to register along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.

What is known of Koine Greek writing conventions, what Matthew has to say, and what is known from history combine to show that Joseph's hometown was Bethlehem.
Joseph went to his own city, Bethlehem. It was his own city (very loosely defined) because he was a descendant of David. In short, Bethlehem was not only his own city, it was also his ancestral city.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I wasn't aware of those records at the time, and "willing" doesn't imply that things won't be done unwillingly.

Debatable in some of the texts found in the primitive Hebrew bible. Keep reading Stavrakopoulou!

Quite so. What you imagine are preconceptions are nothing of the sort.

You employed the term preconceptions to allude to your experience contending that:

My preconceptions are grounded in experience.

I never (almost never, anyway) provide references that I haven't personally checked for veracity.

So on what grounds are you contending that your citations of "other peoples opinions and speculations" are in some way more authoritative than my own citations? Apart from the fact that you do not agree with those academics to whom I refer.

The tracts are polemical - at worst, no less so than what comes from your favoured authors.

You really consider the offerings of our forum author to be on an academic par with Goodacre, or Sanders, or Chancey, or Smallwood or Rubin? How much of any of those authors I have listed, have you actually read?

It seems that Mary's hometown was Nazareth - that's where she was when the angel spoke with her

That is only found in Luke.

Matthew makes no mention of where she lived but merely tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem [sans census of course].

There is no reason to wonder why would Joseph be in Nazareth.

Why would he be in Nazareth?

4 Joseph also went up from Galilee[/U], from the city of Nazareth

If, as you contend, that with regard to Bethlehem

Joseph had probably lived there from the time he was born.

What was he doing in Nazareth?

[tabibito]

Why would he be in Nazareth?

If, as you contend, that with regard to Bethlehem

Joseph had probably lived there from the time he was born.

What was he doing in Nazareth?

Why would a man be in the town where his betrothed lived? Really??

[Rational Gaze]

And Marcus du Sautoy is a mathematician whereas Stephen Law is a philosopher.

Stephen Law seems to believe his 'evil god challenge' refutes the axiological argument for the existence of God. However, not only does it fail to do so, it actually furnishes us with a good refutation of the argument from evil.

Was she just naming random authors, because neither are historians.

Presumably.

[Rational Gaze]

Rather an unusual comment from a noted academic.

Hey, now. I wrote the whole thing myself.

[tabibito]

You employed the term preconceptions to allude to your experience contending that:

My preconceptions are grounded in experience.

Correct. Previously formed conceptions, no matter how derived, are by definition preconceptions.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Stephen Law seems to believe his 'evil god challenge' refutes the axiological argument for the existence of God. However, not only does it fail to do so, it actually furnishes us with a good refutation of the argument from evil.

On what grounds? You have after all accredited yourself with some knowledge of philosophy.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Why would a man be in the town where his betrothed lived? Really??

This purely your own flight of fancy.

[tabibito]

This purely your own flight of fancy.

You may find it comforting to think so.

[Rational Gaze]

On what grounds? You have after all accredited yourself with some knowledge of philosophy.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=steph...e+craig+debate

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=steph...e+craig+debate

It would appear that your self-accredited knowledge of matters philosophical was but a "mere veneer".

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You may find it comforting to think so.

You have not an iota of textual evidence to support your notion that Joseph "Went A Courtin" to Nazareth.

[tabibito]

You have not an iota of textual evidence to support your notion that Joseph "Went A Courtin" to Nazareth.

The text shows that Joseph's hometown was Bethlehem. The text shows that Joseph was in Nazareth. The text shows that Mary was in Nazareth. The text shows that Mary was betrothed to Joseph. And writers in Koine Greek expected that their audiences could add two and two.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The text shows that Joseph's hometown was Bethlehem.

Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David

The text shows that Joseph was in Nazareth. The text shows that Mary was in Nazareth..

Only in Luke. Matthew tells us:

In the time of King Herod, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea,

Sans census sans any mention of Nazareth.

[tabibito]

Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David

3 And everyone was on his way to register for the census, each to his own city.
4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David

Everyone went to his own city; Joseph also travelled from Nazareth [to his own city,] Bethlehem.

Grammatical structures and conventions vary from language to language - and even dialect to dialect. English and German sentences include information that would be considered thoroughly tautological in Koine Greek or Japanese.

And look at what the translators have done there - the city of David is called Bethlehem because he (Joseph) was of the house of David. That is by no means a supportable claim. Any little more than quarter-way decent or better proof reader would find that sentence wholly unacceptable.

Only in Luke. Matthew tells us:

In the time of King Herod, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea,

Sans census sans any mention of Nazareth.

Two different authors consider different events and circumstances worthy of note. Not exactly an astounding discovery.