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Question About Numbers 15:32–36
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
That's the statement of 2 Cor. 5:21. Gal. 3:13 says He became a "curse" for us (believers).
I find it hard to believe that a Galilean Jewish charismatic believed he was to be a sacrifice for humankind."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by little_monkey View Post
So someone wrote in a book that killing is okay, and you're okay with that?!?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by little_monkey View Post
So some authors wrote something, and that's supposed to be true?!?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by little_monkey View Post
There are distinguished scholars who have found those contradictions. So you know better than them?!?Last edited by NorrinRadd; 08-15-2022, 03:39 AM.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
I might or I might not. But I'll note that I have not, so far, denied "contradictions." There's a good chance that none of the alleged contradictions they or you might cite would matter to me. That was kind of my point in the verses I cited. They would not constitute contradictory statements of fact, but they could readily be construed as giving contradictory instructions.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Those are Paul's words and ideas..
I find it hard to believe that a Galilean Jewish charismatic believed he was to be a sacrifice for humankind.
So it wasn't just Paul's idea, and at least three of the Evangelists seem to put at least an allusion to the idea in the mouth of Jesus Himself.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by little_monkey View Post
In other places, it's called cherry-picking.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThose are Paul's words and ideas..
I find it hard to believe that a Galilean Jewish charismatic believed he was to be a sacrifice for humankind.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Peter seemed to have the same idea -- 1 Pet. 2:24. Peter also described it in terms of "ransom," 1:18-19. Matthew (20:28) and Mark (10:45) put that same "ransom" language in the mouth of Jesus Himself. He may have also had that in mind in John 12:32, when He said that in His crucifixion, He would "draw all" to Himself. Elsewhere, John uses "propitiation" (1 Jn. 2:2; 4:10) to convey the same idea.
So it wasn't just Paul's idea, and at least three of the Evangelists seem to put at least an allusion to the idea in the mouth of Jesus Himself.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou are ill-informed."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Peter seemed to have the same idea -- 1 Pet. 2:24. Peter also described it in terms of "ransom," 1:18-19. Matthew (20:28) and Mark (10:45) put that same "ransom" language in the mouth of Jesus Himself. He may have also had that in mind in John 12:32, when He said that in His crucifixion, He would "draw all" to Himself. Elsewhere, John uses "propitiation" (1 Jn. 2:2; 4:10) to convey the same idea.
So it wasn't just Paul's idea, and at least three of the Evangelists seem to put at least an allusion to the idea in the mouth of Jesus Himself.
Or are you trying to claim a Jewish Galilean artisan fishermen was conversant with Greek ideas and the Greek language; and that this text [along with 1 Peter] are all dated to pre 67 CE? The "traditional" dating for Peter's death.
The fact remains that Paul is our earliest source.
All those other NT texts come several decades later."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
These are all later texts.
Or are you trying to claim a Jewish Galilean artisan fishermen was conversant with Greek ideas and the Greek language; and that this text [along with 1 Peter] are all dated to pre 67 CE? The "traditional" dating for Peter's death.
The fact remains that Paul is our earliest source.
All those other NT texts come several decades later.
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