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  • Question About Numbers 15:32–36

    32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.
    How crazy is that???

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    • #3
      Originally posted by little_monkey View Post

      How crazy is that???
      God is full of wrath. That was a different time, a different dispensation. I don't find anything crazy about that. Terrifying yes. Fortunately, God sent His Son Jesus to protect us from his wrath.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Machinist View Post

        Fortunately, God sent His Son Jesus to protect us from his wrath.
        Well, it seems that Jesus said otherwise:

        “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

        Matthew 5:17-20

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        • #5
          Originally posted by little_monkey View Post

          Well, it seems that Jesus said otherwise:

          “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

          Matthew 5:17-20
          Man, that's some cryptic stuff there. I really don't know. It sounds intriguing.

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          • #6
            God was the Law in OT times, and His Law was His Word, and He and the Law were One, etc. etc. So God is the Law and the Law is God. The Law was then made flesh through Jesus. Just kind of winging it here. There is a lot of symbolism there that actually makes a lot of sense when you dig further into it. I have only recently began reading the Bible, mainly the Psalms right now.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by little_monkey View Post

              How crazy is that???
              Not very crazy.

              The Ten Words were foundational to the entire Mosaic Covenant between I Am and Israel. Sabbath-keeping was the fourth of those Commandments (Ex. 20:1-17; Deut. 5:4-21). Execution was prescribed as the penalty for violation in Ex. 31:14-15 and Ex. 35:2-3. So the verdict couldn't have surprised anyone.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by little_monkey View Post

                Well, it seems that Jesus said otherwise:

                “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

                Matthew 5:17-20
                Earlier in his Gospel, Matthew said that the whole reason for the name "Jesus" was that He would save people from their sins. (Matt. 1:21)

                Later in the same Gospel (Matt. 11:28-30) Jesus invites the weary and burdened to come to Him for rest, promising that His burden is light and easy to bear.

                Still later in the same Gospel (Matt. 22:36-38), He says that the greatest Commandment is to totally love God, and the second, which is like it or even the same as it is to "Love your neighbor as yourself"; He then says that all the rest of the Law and Prophets depend on those two (or one two-fold) Commandment(s). And still elsewhere (Matt. 7:12), He gives the so-called "Golden Rule," "Treat others as you wish others to treat you," and then explicitly says that single rule "fulfills" the Law and Prophets.

                Even without looking at what Jesus said in other Gospels, it appears those hard-line statements about the Law in ch. 5 are not the whole story.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post



                  Even without looking at what Jesus said in other Gospels, it appears those hard-line statements about the Law in ch. 5 are not the whole story.
                  Jesus fulfilled the Law by dying. There were quite a few laws of the OT that required death if violated. Jesus fulfilled every jot and tittle of it. Right? Wouldn't you say that His death ultimately fulfilled the law? Because the law required you die if you stepped out of line.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Machinist View Post

                    Jesus fulfilled the Law by dying. There were quite a few laws of the OT that required death if violated. Jesus fulfilled every jot and tittle of it. Right? Wouldn't you say that His death ultimately fulfilled the law? Because the law required you die if you stepped out of line.
                    In what respect [given your above comments] did Jesus step "out of line"?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      In what respect [given your above comments] did Jesus step "out of line"?
                      Good question. Again, I'm just winging things here. I think it all makes sense though, or at least that's my intuition.

                      He was pushed out of line, or He intentionally stepped outside of it, for the sake of becoming sin.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Machinist View Post

                        Good question. Again, I'm just winging things here. I think it all makes sense though, or at least that's my intuition.

                        He was pushed out of line
                        By what or whom?

                        Originally posted by Machinist View Post
                        or He intentionally stepped outside of it, for the sake of becoming sin.
                        Jesus became "sin"? Really?

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                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Machinist View Post

                          Jesus fulfilled the Law by dying. There were quite a few laws of the OT that required death if violated. Jesus fulfilled every jot and tittle of it. Right? Wouldn't you say that His death ultimately fulfilled the law? Because the law required you die if you stepped out of line.
                          Point of correction.

                          Jesus fulfilled the ritual law but not the moral law.

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                          • #14
                            By what or whom?
                            Himself. It was His decision after all. It was His plan of redemption to offer Himself as the sacrifice.

                            Jesus became "sin"? Really?
                            Yes. that is part of the equation. God actually turned His face from Jesus as He died on the cross. "Father why have you forsaken me?" In a sense, He became sin. I can't go into the nuances of that sense here, but suffice it to say, that in a sense (even in a symbolic sense), He became sin.



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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Point of correction.

                              Jesus fulfilled the ritual law but not the moral law.
                              Interesting. I'll definitely note that. It can get overwhelming.

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