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  • Originally posted by eider View Post

    This tradition seems to go back aways.

    Lots of interest....... lots of believers, it seems:-
    1. ‘Tomb of Jesus’ In Kashmir–Roza Bal Shrine - India …


      https://www.indiaheritagewalks.org/b...mir-roz…
      WebSome experts claim that Jesus came to Kashmir during the reign of Raja Gopadatta (49-109 AD). They claim that he must have chosen Kashmir because Kashmiris are considered as one among the ten ‘missing tribes’ …


    ................................Wow! Experts.........
    The Urantia Book also posits a trip to India by Jesus.
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    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

      Define "lots."


      Not that old

      Buddhist and Hindu period

      There is no record of the shrine during Kashmir's Buddhist period, nor during the Kashmir Sultanate (1346–1586) when many Buddhist temples were converted into mosques, such as the Shankaracharya Temple or "Throne of Solomon."[15]

      Muhammad Dedamari, 1747[edit]

      The shrine is first mentioned in the Waqi'at-i-Kashmir (Story of Kashmir, published 1747), also known as the Tarikh Azami (History by Azam)[16] by the Khwaja Muhammad Azam Didamari, a local Srinagar Sufi writer. Muhammed Azam states that the tomb is of a foreign prophet and prince, Yuzasuf, or in modern local Kashimiri transcription Youza Asouph. The name may derive from the Urdu "Yuzasaf" in the legend of Balauhar and Yuzasaf, Yuzasaf being a name for Gautama Buddha.[17] Yuzasaf occurs as a spelling in the Rasail Ikhwan al-Safa of the Brethren of Purity and other sources.[18]David Marshall Lang (1960) notes that the connection of the Buddhist Yuzasaf with Kashmir in part results from a printing error in the Bombay Arabic edition referencing the legend of the Wisdom of Balahvar which makes its hero prince Yuzasaf die in "Kashmir" (Arabic: كشمير) by confusion with Kushinara (Pali: كوشينر), the traditional place of the original Buddha's death.[19][20]


      So we gone further back than 1899 now? OK.

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      • Originally posted by eider View Post

        So we gone further back than 1899 now? OK.
        In 1749 it was considered the tomb of a prophet-and-prince. The name has clear links in the language of the area, and may have a link with a Buddha, a tradition that itself seems to be based on a flawed translation. Somewhen between 1749 and 1899 the name comes to be associated with Jesus.
        1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
        Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
        .
        If Palm Sunday really was a Sunday, Christ was crucified on a Thursday (which could be adduced from the gospels anyway).

        "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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        • Originally posted by eider View Post

          So we gone further back than 1899 now? OK.
          No. The shrine itself dates back to the 18th century. The claim it is Jesus' tomb still dates to 1899.

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            No. The shrine itself dates back to the 18th century. The claim it is Jesus' tomb still dates to 1899.
            Hmmm...... The Cornish Tradition seems to have a bit more weight, since merchants from Tyre and Sidon were trading with Cornwall since the bronze age, maybe earlier than the story of Moses.
            Who knows?

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            • Originally posted by eider View Post

              Hmmm...... The Cornish Tradition seems to have a bit more weight, since merchants from Tyre and Sidon were trading with Cornwall since the bronze age, maybe earlier than the story of Moses.
              Who knows?
              From what I could find that legend is actually older, possibly stretching back as early as the 12th century.

              That Joseph of Arimathea was supposedly a merchant who traveled to Britain to buy tin, and took a teenage Jesus (some myths claim they're related) with him on one trip actually inspired a poem by William Blake in 1808 called "Jerusalem"

              And did those feet in ancient time
              Walk upon England's mountains green?
              And was the holy Lamb of God
              On England's pleasant pastures seen?
              And did the countenance divine
              Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
              And was Jerusalem builded here
              Among those dark satanic mills?
              Bring me my bow of burning gold!
              Bring me my arrows of desire!
              Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
              Bring me my chariot of fire!
              I will not cease from mental fight,
              Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
              Till we have built Jerusalem
              In England's green and pleasant land.



              All of this also ties into the legend of Joseph bringing the Holy Grail to Britain as well.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                From what I could find that legend is actually older, possibly stretching back as early as the 12th century.

                That Joseph of Arimathea was supposedly a merchant who traveled to Britain to buy tin, and took a teenage Jesus (some myths claim they're related) with him on one trip actually inspired a poem by William Blake in 1808 called "Jerusalem"

                And did those feet in ancient time
                Walk upon England's mountains green?
                And was the holy Lamb of God
                On England's pleasant pastures seen?
                And did the countenance divine
                Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
                And was Jerusalem builded here
                Among those dark satanic mills?
                Bring me my bow of burning gold!
                Bring me my arrows of desire!
                Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
                Bring me my chariot of fire!
                I will not cease from mental fight,
                Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
                Till we have built Jerusalem
                In England's green and pleasant land.



                All of this also ties into the legend of Joseph bringing the Holy Grail to Britain as well.
                Last week a late Roman cemetery was found somewhere in Yorkshire..... the first ever found in that county/area. So it remained hidden away for 16-1700 years. We are walking over lands filled with history.

                In 1985 a friend bough a field just south of Faversham, Kent. He had to extract miles of wire and poles from this field because it had been a Hops field and as he worked he found axes, stone axes and stone tools, scores of them ...... walking over history.

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                • Originally posted by eider View Post

                  Last week a late Roman cemetery was found somewhere in Yorkshire..... the first ever found in that county/area. So it remained hidden away for 16-1700 years. We are walking over lands filled with history.

                  In 1985 a friend bough a field just south of Faversham, Kent. He had to extract miles of wire and poles from this field because it had been a Hops field and as he worked he found axes, stone axes and stone tools, scores of them ...... walking over history.
                  Which is why it is unnecessary to make stuff up when reality can be so fascinating.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Which is why it is unnecessary to make stuff up when reality can be so fascinating.
                    Truth can be stranger..........

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