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Synoptics and John: Day of Crucifixion

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  • Synoptics and John: Day of Crucifixion


    Crucifixion day1.jpg


    It is evident that the Synoptic Gospels, and not just John only, portray Jesus and the disciples eating the last supper before the Jews sacrifice their Passover. It is also evident that the Synoptic Gospels show Jesus and the disciples conducting the sacrifice* before their meal*, on the designated day for conducting the sacrifice*.

    {{For the sake of those who cannot understand the role of context, * indicates "of the Passover."}}
    Last edited by tabibito; 05-12-2022, 10:53 PM.
    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
    Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
    .
    "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

    "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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    Reposting the pic account minor adjustments were needed.
    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
    Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
    .
    "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

    "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      Crucifixion day1.jpg


      It is evident that the Synoptic Gospels, and not just John only, portray Jesus and the disciples eating the last supper before the Jews sacrifice their Passover. It is also evident that the Synoptic Gospels show Jesus and the disciples conducting the sacrifice* before their meal*, on the designated day for conducting the sacrifice*.

      {{For the sake of those who cannot understand the role of context, * indicates "of the Passover."}}
      Who compiled this and from where did they get their timings?
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        Who compiled this and from where did they get their timings?
        For the most part, it comes direct from the Bible. The Hebrew calendar sets daybreak at sunset, so anything that happens during daylight hours occurs on the same date and day as anything that happened during the prior night or after the prior sunset (evening).
        Last edited by tabibito; 05-13-2022, 04:26 AM.
        1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
        Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
        .
        "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

        "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

          For the most part, it comes direct from the Bible. The Hebrew calendar sets daybreak at sunset, so anything that happens during daylight hours occurs on the same date and day as anything that happened during the prior night or after the prior sunset (evening).
          That is not exactly what I asked. Who compiled it and from where [and how] did they arrive at their timings - for example 22.41 and 23.46?

          As neither the gospel of Mark nor John has a chapter 22 or 23 I am assuming those numbers refer to the 24 hour clock.
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post



            As neither the gospel of Mark nor John has a chapter 22 or 23 I am assuming those numbers refer to the 24 hour clock.
            The 22:21 is a typo, it should be 14:12, The Rightmost column, Blue Highlight indicates Mark, Yellow Highlight indicates Luke, John is in black in the adjacent column.
            The table is part of a power-point presentation, so some parts rely on commentary during the presentation.
            1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
            Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
            .
            "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

            "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post

              The 22:21 is a typo, it should be 14:12, The Rightmost column, Blue Highlight indicates Mark, Yellow Highlight indicates Luke, John is in black in the adjacent column.
              The table is part of a power-point presentation, so some parts rely on commentary during the presentation.
              Oh so they are chapter references.

              So who compiled this and to what purpose?
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • #8
                But they're 4hr 11min out! And how did they know Jesus was interred at seven minutes to midnight exactly?
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                Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Roy View Post
                  But they're 4hr 11min out! And how did they know Jesus was interred at seven minutes to midnight exactly?
                  Apparently that is a misprint . I thought it was a 24 hour clock reference as well but they are chapter references.

                  I am still trying to ascertain who compiled this, and to what purpose was this power-point created.
                  Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 05-13-2022, 05:22 AM.
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Crucifixion day1 sm.jpg

                    Corrected and made a bit easier to follow now.

                    And the slide is signed, BTW.
                    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                    Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                    .
                    "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                    "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                      Crucifixion day1 sm.jpg

                      Corrected and made a bit easier to follow now.

                      And the slide is signed, BTW.
                      Looking at the name and what appears to be the same in ?Japanese? do we know who Sabiro Sutan/Sutan Sabiro is and what was their purpose in creating this powerpoint? Was it for some sort of Sunday school/Catechism lesson? Did you find it on the web?
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        Looking at the name and what appears to be the same in ?Japanese? do we know who Sabiro Sutan/Sutan Sabiro is and what was their purpose in creating this powerpoint? Was it for some sort of Sunday school/Catechism lesson? Did you find it on the web?
                        It is part of a course-in-development that could be described as "intensive Bible study." A name for the course hasn't actually been decided as yet.
                        1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                        Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                        .
                        "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                        "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          Looking at the name and what appears to be the same in ?Japanese? do we know who Sabiro Sutan/Sutan Sabiro is and what was their purpose in creating this powerpoint? Was it for some sort of Sunday school/Catechism lesson? Did you find it on the web?
                          Instead of fretting so much over who made the power point (as if it mattered) perhaps you should deal with what is asserted by it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Instead of fretting so much over who made the power point (as if it mattered) perhaps you should deal with what is asserted by it.
                            I am intrigued as to why this was created and for what purpose.

                            As for the contention, it seems to be one of those attempts to desperately prove the gospels do not contradict one another concerning this event.

                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Instead of fretting so much over who made the power point (as if it mattered) perhaps you should deal with what is asserted by it.
                              But there is nothing in the Power Point that can be logically challenged, insofar as I can tell. The only possible recourse then is to make the author's identity and motive an issue. Doing so will at least help to prevent having to actually engage with the claims.
                              1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                              Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                              .
                              "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                              "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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