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Childbirth Increased Pangs "Curse"

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    In another thread, Lee Merrill and I have veered into child birth pangs territory, and I must admit I don't have a lot of hope for Lee convincing me human history and anatomical development are insufficient means to explain child birth pangs. He opts for "the curse" explanation. I think this is more logical:

    https://www.americanscientist.org/ar...rth-so-painful

    Is there any good evidence that morning sickness and the necessity of epidurals is a curse rather than the explanations offered by science?

    Why would God expect rational minds to regard the pain of child bearing and childbirth as a supernatural "curse" rather than a culmination of anatomical evolution?

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    An easy evolutionary adaptation would seem to be just limit the pain receptors during childbirth, so why didn't that evolve? An evolutionary epidural.

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      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      An easy evolutionary adaptation would seem to be just limit the pain receptors during childbirth, so why didn't that evolve? An evolutionary epidural.
      Good ideas don't have to evolve.

      It would have to result in more babies being born to mothers with the mutation than those without.

      I have heard women say that they forget about the pain of birthing and it doesn't put them off having another child if they want one.

      Up until recently women didn't have a lot of choice in child bearing.

      Women have a higher pain tolerance than men, which may be an adaptation for this purpose.

      The development of the larger head to accommodate our larger brain would seem to be a reasonable explanation without invoking curses.

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        Originally posted by Alien View Post

        Good ideas don't have to evolve.

        It would have to result in more babies being born to mothers with the mutation than those without.

        I have heard women say that they forget about the pain of birthing and it doesn't put them off having another child if they want one.

        Up until recently women didn't have a lot of choice in child bearing.

        Women have a higher pain tolerance than men, which may be an adaptation for this purpose.

        The development of the larger head to accommodate our larger brain would seem to be a reasonable explanation without invoking curses.
        The less pain, the more likely a woman would have more babies. evolutionary advantage.

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          Originally posted by Sparko View Post

          The less pain, the more likely a woman would have more babies. evolutionary advantage.
          I addressed that.

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            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

            The less pain, the more likely a woman would have more babies. evolutionary advantage.
            Not a good argument from the evolutionary nor Biblical perspective. Also the Biblical perspective does not consider 'evolution as a possible cause of 'birth pains' nor morning sickness.

            As far as evolutionary advantage the increased evolving brain size and therefore the size of the head contributes to birth pain. Humans have survived very well based on other evolutionary advantages.
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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