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  • #61
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post


    Rather than digressing on to my posts [incidentally tabibito also regularly has some extraneous fonts on his replies] why not address the fact that your contention was erroneous?

    I actually cited ONE academic - Gary Dickson. However, Zeigler also refers to the Italian disciplinati and the origins of the movement in the 1200s.
    I don't recall running across it in tab's posts, but you go way overboard with it to the point of having coding for fonts in between coding to cancel all of those fonts.

    I guess if I was H_A this would be the point that I look for an excuse to handwave off Dickson (something like, not an expert; not his area of expertise; his book isn't multi-volume; he once improperly interred some remains...) you know the routine

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #62
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      I don't recall running across it in tab's posts, but you go way overboard with it to the point of having coding for fonts in between coding to cancel all of those fonts.

      I guess if I was H_A this would be the point that I look for an excuse to handwave off Dickson (something like, not an expert; not his area of expertise; his book isn't multi-volume; he once improperly interred some remains...) you know the routine


      You just cannot bring yourself to admit your error, can you?

      I think we can satisfactorily conclude that Dickson knows his subject area.


      Gary Dickson began his academic career as a graduate of Stanford from which he became a Woodrow Wilson Fellow at Yale University before coming to the University of Edinburgh to complete his PhD under Denys Hays, where he then became a lecturer and finally a reader in history. After retiral, he was made an honorary fellow. He is a Fellow of the Royal Historical Society and was elected in 1997 to Membership of the Institute for Advanced Study, School of Historical Studies, Princeton. In 1996-7 he delivered a series of eight Wilde Lectures in Natural and Comparative Religion at Oxford University on the theme of 'Medieval Pentecostalism'. He published The Children's Crusade: Medieval History, Modern Mythistory (Palgrave Macmillan, 2007) and Religious Enthusiasm in the Medieval West: Revivals, Crusades, Saints (Ashgate, 2000). He has also published in a wide number of journals, including Church History, Journal of Medieval History, Revue d'Histoire Ecclésiastique, Journal of Ecclesiastical History, Studies in Church History and the Journal of the History of Childhood & Youth. He was the co-editor of a Special Issue on ‘Charisma’ and he has contributed to a number of volumes, including The Crusades: an Encyclopedia, Dante and the Church, and Under Fire: Childhood in the Shadow of War.

      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

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      • #63
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        I don't recall running across it in tab's posts, but you go way overboard with it to the point of having coding for fonts in between coding to cancel all of those fonts.
        'tis true enough that I sometimes do wind up with clutter, but mostly it is just a matter of playing with formatting for underscoring, superscript, colour and so on. It does make a copy hard to read.

        With H_A's posts, if there is too much of it, I copy and paste from the posted comments.
        Last edited by tabibito; 05-07-2022, 03:33 AM.
        1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
        Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
        .
        "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

        "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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        • #64
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

          'tis true enough that I sometimes do wind up with clutter, but mostly it is just a matter of playing with formatting for underscoring, superscript, colour and so on. It does make a copy hard to read.

          With H_A's posts, if there is too much of it, I copy and paste from the posted comments.
          I generally have to keep scrolling back up to the post and reread it so I can make it out. The back and forth gets old.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #65
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            I generally have to keep scrolling back up to the post and reread it so I can make it out. The back and forth gets old.
            An interesting little exchange between yourself and tabibito that digresses so very conveniently from you having to acknowledge your error concerning the medieval origins of these flagellant movements.
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              An interesting little exchange between yourself and tabibito that digresses so very conveniently from you having to acknowledge your error concerning the medieval origins of these flagellant movements.
              I know you have problems reading past the first word, meaning you miss a lot of things like the word volume, but see the second paragraph of post #59. It's a paragraph not just a word so you really shouldn't have missed it. Then again, maybe that's your comprehension issues kicking in.

              Now, with that done, you are once again living up to your pseudonym, Hypocrite_Again in demanding something that you never provide. Do you want me to post a list of just some of just your more major flubs that you steadfastly refused to acknowledge?

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                An interesting little exchange between yourself and tabibito that digresses so very conveniently from you having to acknowledge your error concerning the medieval origins of these flagellant movements.
                Rogue did post a grudging admission that his information was deficient, if I read it correctly.
                1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                .
                "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                  Rogue did post a grudging admission that his information was deficient, if I read it correctly.
                  I wouldn't use the word "grudging" but I wouldn't argue against those who did.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    I know you have problems reading past the first word, meaning you miss a lot of things like the word volume, but see the second paragraph of post #59. It's a paragraph not just a word so you really shouldn't have missed it. Then again, maybe that's your comprehension issues kicking in.

                    Now, with that done, you are once again living up to your pseudonym, Hypocrite_Again in demanding something that you never provide. Do you want me to post a list of just some of just your more major flubs that you steadfastly refused to acknowledge?
                    My problems with reading are no worse than are are your own on occasion.

                    Nor did I dig up "some historians" I cited Dickson whose specialism is that period.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      Was that a jocular comment or do you have specific examples of individual Freudian psycho-analysts/psycho-therapists that have required therapy?
                      Word games bore me. I'll see myself out.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        Word games bore me. I'll see myself out.
                        I shall assume your remark was jocular. However, do you not consider such extreme behaviours by these Christian ascetics to be sado-masochistic and displaying the symptoms of various psychoses?
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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